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Old July 24th, 2017, 03:27 AM   #36601
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So how do you say "Slovak" in Slovenian? And vice versa?
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Old July 24th, 2017, 07:46 AM   #36602
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So how do you say "Slovak" in Slovenian? And vice versa?
In Slovak language:
a Slovak = Slovák
a Slovak (female) = Slovenka
Slovak (adjective, masculine) = slovenský
Slovak (adjective, feminine) = slovenská
Slovak (adjective, neutral) = slovenské
the Slovak Language = slovenčina

a Slovene = Slovinec
a Slovene (female) = Slovinka
Slovenian (adjective, masculine) = Slovinský
Slovenian (adjective, feminine) = Slovinská
Slovenian (adjective, neutral) = Slovinské
the Slovenian Language = slovinčina
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Old July 24th, 2017, 10:24 AM   #36603
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Where can I find pictures of Karawanke tunnel during Yugoslav civil war in the 90's?
I read on Wikipedia that custom and toll houses were destroyed,but I couldn't find any pictures.
They weren't destroyed, just damaged from aircraft fire (and even that not very significant). Damage was repaired later. Toll houses look today the same as they looked the first day.
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Old July 24th, 2017, 05:32 PM   #36604
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So how do you say "Slovak" in Slovenian? And vice versa?
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In Slovak language:
a Slovak = Slovák
a Slovak (female) = Slovenka
Slovak (adjective, masculine) = slovenský
Slovak (adjective, feminine) = slovenská
Slovak (adjective, neutral) = slovenské
the Slovak Language = slovenčina
Slovakia = Slovensko

a Slovene = Slovinec
a Slovene (female) = Slovinka
Slovenian (adjective, masculine) = Slovinský
Slovenian (adjective, feminine) = Slovinská
Slovenian (adjective, neutral) = Slovinské
the Slovenian Language = slovinčina
Slovenia = Slovinsko
And in Slovenian (Melanian):

a Slovene (male) – Slovenec
a Slovene (female) – Slovenka
Slovenian (adjective, masculine/feminine/neuter) – slovenski/slovenska/slovensko
Slovenian language – slovenščina
Slovenia – Slovenija
Slovene Lands – Slovensko

a Slovak (m.) – Slovak (same as in English )
a Slovak (f.) – Slovakinja
Slovak (adj., m/f/n) – slovaški/-a/-o
Slovak l. – slovaščina
Slovakia – Slovaška (Slovaško)

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Old July 24th, 2017, 06:03 PM   #36605
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The thing is that "soviet" an "socialist" is not the same though sometimes interchanged. Soviet is usually referred to the Soviet Union while socialist is referred to the Eastern bloc (if spoken in terms of Europe). As has already been told, Yugoslavia or Albania were socialist countries though completely refused the "soviet model".

I would say, the notion of "soviet" is an adjective for Soviet Union the same way the "American" is sometimes an adjective for the USA.
No that is not true YU was not a "soviet" country unlike Poland or Slovakia which were in fact kept in captivity.
We were never part of the Soviet Union dominance, and YU always kept more close ties with the west than with the Soviets.
Albania was different, they HAD relations with the Soviets until the late 50's and its a completely different example it was one of the worlds most isolated countries like present DPRK.
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Old July 26th, 2017, 10:42 PM   #36606
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Let's look at it from the perspective of another Slavic language

a Slovak = Słowak
a Slovak (female) = Słowaczka
Slovak (adjective, masculine) = słowacki
Slovak (adjective, feminine) = słowacka
Slovak (adjective, neutral) = słowackie
the Slovak Language = (język) słowacki
Slovakia = Słowacja

a Slovene = Słoweniec
a Slovene (female) = Słowenka
Slovenian (adjective, masculine) = słoweński
Slovenian (adjective, feminine) = słoweńska
Slovenian (adjective, neutral) = słoweńskie
the Slovenian Language = (język) słoweński
Slovenia = Słowenia

It's more similar to English.

I would add all the Slav and Slavic things, as they are also similar...

a Slav = Słowianin
a Slav (female) = Słowianka
Slavic (adjective, masculine) = słowiański (e.g. język słowiański - a Slavic language)
Slavic (adjective, feminine) = słowiańska
Slavic (adjective, neutral) = słowiańskie

It seems that generally, only in Slovak, when something is Slovak, it is called to be "Slovenian".

Concerning the WhatsApp discussion - in Poland it's rather not popular. And I usually try to explain it to myself exactly by that the phone calls and SMS messages are cheap in Poland. Currently, you can pay just 5 euro for a month and have unlimited calls and SMS-es to all the networks, mobile and landline (maybe not the SMS-es to landline, but even though there is such a possibility, it never became popular, probably because the older landline telephones do not support it and because landline phones are currently used only either by businesses, or by older people who do not know how to send or read an SMS anyway).
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Old July 26th, 2017, 11:51 PM   #36607
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No that is not true YU was not a "soviet" country unlike Poland or Slovakia which were in fact kept in captivity.
We were never part of the Soviet Union dominance, and YU always kept more close ties with the west than with the Soviets.
Albania was different, they HAD relations with the Soviets until the late 50's and its a completely different example it was one of the worlds most isolated countries like present DPRK.
Do you know the meaning of the word "refuse"?
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Old July 27th, 2017, 07:25 PM   #36608
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I will ask some more appropriate question. Its about the abolishing of the roaming in your countries. So I am interested to get some prepaid number from different country to use it for data when traveling abroad. I cannot use it for calls because of the charges for the roaming back to my place.
My question is if some of you know if there are charges for using data after the new regulations. Like for example some scam by some particular operators or hidden costs etc.
If the plan which I am going to get it has like 3gb free national traffic does it mean that I am going to have it all around europe. So maybe some of you has experience to share. Thx.
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Old July 27th, 2017, 07:37 PM   #36609
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Concerning the WhatsApp discussion - in Poland it's rather not popular.
WhatsApp released figures today: it has 1 billion daily users, who send 55 billion texts and 4.5 billion photos every day.

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Old July 27th, 2017, 08:11 PM   #36610
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I will ask some more appropriate question. Its about the abolishing of the roaming in your countries. So I am interested to get some prepaid number from different country to use it for data when traveling abroad. I cannot use it for calls because of the charges for the roaming back to my place.
My question is if some of you know if there are charges for using data after the new regulations. Like for example some scam by some particular operators or hidden costs etc.
If the plan which I am going to get it has like 3gb free national traffic does it mean that I am going to have it all around europe. So maybe some of you has experience to share. Thx.
Roaming fees have been abolished for both data and voice/text. There are a few caveats though: an operator might not offer roaming at all on a given plan. This is what several budget virtual operators have done: they only serve the local market of the country they are registered in. What they can't do is to offer roaming at anything but the same domestic price.

The second caveat is that if the data fees are lower than the wholesale roaming capped fees (which operators charge between themselves), there might be a data cap on the roaming equal to: price of the plan divided by wholesale capped roaming fee. This was put there as a concession for operators from countries with lower income and cheaper plans, such that they would not lose money every time a person used their GSM cards abroad.

Big operators work just fine.
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Old July 27th, 2017, 08:28 PM   #36611
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I was using the roaming of the Polish operator Play in Italy for almost 2 weeks and it worked fine. Normally I use no data plan, but I bought one for just a month, which gave me 6 GB in Poland, 1 GB of which can be used in roaming. It costed me 20 PLN, which is a bit less than 5 euro.

For the calls and SMS messages both to Poland and to Italy I paid exactly the same, as I normally pay for local calls and SMS'es in Poland.

If you are using a SIM card from another EU country for a longer time, like many months without returning to the original country of the card, the operator has right to treat it as abuse and start applying normal roaming fees to you. It's a safety measure, so that, for example, Germans will not suddenly start using Polish SIM cards when the prices are much lower in the Polish networks than in the German ones.
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Old July 27th, 2017, 08:36 PM   #36612
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I pay € 20 per month for 10 GB data, which can be used unlimited in the EU + Switzerland & Norway.

I generally do not consume 10 GB of data though. A problem on vacation is that I often do not get 4G coverage in rural areas so I can't watch video in high quality.

But I think the removal of roaming fees will result in significant cost to operators of cellular networks at popular tourist locations. Usually these customers would use wifi or refrain from using much data, but now you can use unlimited data. Maybe not a problem in a rural area, but some areas have a great concentration of foreign tourists, for example at Côte d'Azur, Jesolo or Lago di Garda. Cities generally have better cellular infrastructure than those locations.
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But I think the removal of roaming fees will result in significant cost to operators of cellular networks at popular tourist locations. Usually these customers would use wifi or refrain from using much data, but now you can use unlimited data. Maybe not a problem in a rural area, but some areas have a great concentration of foreign tourists, for example at Côte d'Azur, Jesolo or Lago di Garda. Cities generally have better cellular infrastructure than those locations.
Operators can still charge each other for use of their infrastructure in case of data traffic but they can't pass the fee to costumers. The fee, capped by EU, is up to €7.70/GB in 2017, €6 in 2018 and significantly reduced amounts in the following years, though most operators already charge each other much less on reciprocity agreements.

There are also fair use policies and limits on roaming for pre-paid GSM cards. The EU website for this is very informative and straightforward
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Well, I meant more from an infrastructure point of view. They would have to upgrade the capacity of their networks or add more cell towers at such locations as mobile data usage could skyrocket.

Areas like Lago di Garda have decent 4G coverage but most foreign tourists used unreliable / slow camping wifi due to the roaming fees. That has changed now. I haven't used wifi at any of the campsites I visited in June. Some campsites have recently invested quite a bit of money on their wifi network, but that investment may not pay itself back anymore. Campsite wifi ranges from cheap household internet at the bar to professional wifi systems with full terrain coverage with multiple antennae, often with third party providers which charge you anything from € 2 to € 10+ per day for using it.
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If you are using a SIM card from another EU country for a longer time, like many months without returning to the original country of the card, the operator has right to treat it as abuse and start applying normal roaming fees to you. It's a safety measure, so that, for example, Germans will not suddenly start using Polish SIM cards when the prices are much lower in the Polish networks than in the German ones.
Yes I read now that the roam at home is not intended for permanent roaming when going to another country . It's very logical that the plans in Bulgaria or in Poland have lower prices than in some other countries.
So I am going to take a card from a country that I visit the most in europe, so the operator can check my "home" presence after some period of being to a third roam at home country, so that I can keep using the data.
Another thing I don't understand is the cap of 7.7€, because many plans include less than 3gb of data.
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Well, I meant more from an infrastructure point of view. They would have to upgrade the capacity of their networks or add more cell towers at such locations as mobile data usage could skyrocket.

Areas like Lago di Garda have decent 4G coverage but most foreign tourists used unreliable / slow camping wifi due to the roaming fees. That has changed now. I haven't used wifi at any of the campsites I visited in June. Some campsites have recently invested quite a bit of money on their wifi network, but that investment may not pay itself back anymore. Campsite wifi ranges from cheap household internet at the bar to professional wifi systems with full terrain coverage with multiple antennae, often with third party providers which charge you anything from € 2 to € 10+ per day for using it.
Professional Wi-Fi networks are actually a better technological solution to provide connectivity for large crowds. The problems involved are network safety and the lack of a unified implementation that makes it easy to connect to a Wi-Fi networks without having to jumpt through hoops, get a new password somewhere etc.

Wi-Fi will not disappear, many people have laptob and tablets and very few bother buying separate data plans for them (or knowing how to set up mobile hotspots).
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A problem on vacation is that I often do not get 4G coverage in rural areas so I can't watch video in high quality.
Well. If you go on vacation to watch video in high quality there, it's your problem. To do it, you could stay at home and you wouldn't have to pay for the transport, accommodation and so on Not to mention the roaming Internet.

For me, Internet on holidays is useful for checking the transport timetables, reading about the places to see and similar things. I don't need 4G for that. By the way, 3G is enough to watch HD videos, at least in theory.

I was at a camping near Venice (not in Jesolo, on the other side), in a bungalow, where I had either a very week 3G signal or strong EDGE (my cell phone does not support 4G anyway). Both were more or less the same slow, it was difficult to do anything on the Internet. Did I complain? Not. I don't go on holidays to watch videos

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But I think the removal of roaming fees will result in significant cost to operators of cellular networks at popular tourist locations. Usually these customers would use wifi or refrain from using much data, but now you can use unlimited data. Maybe not a problem in a rural area, but some areas have a great concentration of foreign tourists, for example at Côte d'Azur, Jesolo or Lago di Garda.
But it's only about the foreign tourists (many of which were just buying a data plan from a local operator if they needed Internet on holidays, now they will do the same using roaming). Concerning the domestic ones, nothing changes.

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Well, I meant more from an infrastructure point of view. They would have to upgrade the capacity of their networks or add more cell towers at such locations as mobile data usage could skyrocket.
In locations like stadiums, sports halls or fair sites, the operators use temporary mobile base stations, when highly increased traffic is expected.

Anyway, there are moments when the traffic grows so, that the infrastructure can't stand it and there are delays in delivering SMS messages or difficulties in making phone calls. Up to not a long time ago, it was always the case on the New Year's Eve when people were massively sending New Year wishes to their friends and families. It also happens when an unexpected countrywide-important event happens, e.g. it supposedly was so when our president had a plane accident a few years ago (the reason why people massively started to communicate in such a situation is unknown to me, but supposedly it was so and there were some disruptions in the mobile networks because of that).

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So I am going to take a card from a country that I visit the most in europe, so the operator can check my "home" presence after some period of being to a third roam at home country, so that I can keep using the data.
This is a good idea. By the way, one of Polish operators, Play (which I use, by the way), has recently introduced... a special offer for Ukrainians, as a response to their massive immigration to Poland.

http://promocje.play.pl/ua/

Ukraine is not in the EU, so the calls between Poland and Ukraine are normally quite expensive.

Supposedly, they had even TV commercials in Ukrainian on Polish TV (I haven't seen it, but I rarely watch TV nowadays).

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The caps are dependent on the price of the data plan.

I will use a screenshot from the Play website:



The first column is the name of the offers, for which those data plans are valid. The second one are the amounts of GB available in Poland, then the prices (1 EUR = 4,3 PLN). In the last column, there is the amount of GB available in the EU in the specific plan.

So, for example, since the cap for 1 GB is, if I remember well, 5 euro - the offer which costed more or less 5 euro (20 zł) and gave 6 GB in Poland was cut to exactly 1 GB in the EU. The same is with all the other plans, like 600 MB or 2 GB.
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Thanks for the explanation, I understood now. But caps differ from country to country so I should check with the one I'm intended to get from. But a full home data package is probably like 25% when going to different country.
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Well. If you go on vacation to watch video in high quality there, it's your problem. To do it, you could stay at home and you wouldn't have to pay for the transport, accommodation and so on Not to mention the roaming Internet.

For me, Internet on holidays is useful for checking the transport timetables, reading about the places to see and similar things. I don't need 4G for that. By the way, 3G is enough to watch HD videos, at least in theory.

I was at a camping near Venice (not in Jesolo, on the other side), in a bungalow, where I had either a very week 3G signal or strong EDGE (my cell phone does not support 4G anyway). Both were more or less the same slow, it was difficult to do anything on the Internet. Did I complain? Not. I don't go on holidays to watch videos
Have you ever tried to use Google Maps (especially with satellite mode) or even worse Street View with slow wi-fi? GM is very used while travelling (not only to navigate while driving, but also to look at places to be visited).
Moreover, there may be different reasons to need a fast connection on vacations, for example if your device requires some heavy updates, or if you want to share on Facebook a huge number of holiday photos or videos live.
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It's not relevant to Europe, but my carrier (Sprint) has something called Global Roaming, which for a flat fee (an extra $10 or $20 on my bill that month) lets me use my phone as much as I would at home, except (ironically) that phone calls cost more above a certain limit. Data is unlimited.
I set it up before a trip to Montreal 15 months ago, but it works for Europe as well. I don't even need to tell them I'm traveling; when their system detects international use, the charge applies for that month; when it doesn't, I'm not charged.
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