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Old September 3rd, 2017, 05:41 PM   #36861
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That 'little piece of sea' belongs to Croatia.
No, it doesn't. The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague assigned it to Slovenia, so it's ours.
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Can Slovenians understand Croatian (if they haven't studied it), and vice versa?
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 06:52 PM   #36863
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No, it doesn't. The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague assigned it to Slovenia, so it's ours.
My personal understanding is that those areas are purely Croatian. Because the borders were defined decades ago or if we go back in time since 1945 and then in the 70's. Also I think that the arbitration was not correct and maybe there was bribing or something, but anyway I stand with the Croatian side on this.
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 07:03 PM   #36864
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My personal understanding is that those areas are purely Croatian. Because the borders were defined decades ago or if we go back in time since 1945 and then in the 70's. Also I think that the arbitration was not correct and maybe there was bribing or something, but anyway I stand with the Croatian side on this.
What was the point in defining sea borders when it was a single country?
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old September 3rd, 2017, 07:04 PM   #36865
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Can Slovenians understand Croatian (if they haven't studied it), and vice versa?
According to some Croatian friends, some it's intelligible, but not perfectly. Instead, Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian are almost the same language.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old September 3rd, 2017, 07:34 PM   #36866
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Instead, Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian are almost the same language.
"Almost" in that sentence is only from political not from linguistic point of view.
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 07:37 PM   #36867
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No, it doesn't. The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague assigned it to Slovenia, so it's ours.
I think that the best solution for this problem would be reunification of Slovenia and Croatia.
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 08:17 PM   #36868
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My personal understanding is that those areas are purely Croatian. Because the borders were defined decades ago or if we go back in time since 1945 and then in the 70's. Also I think that the arbitration was not correct and maybe there was bribing or something, but anyway I stand with the Croatian side on this.
How you doing in the FYROM? (just kidding)
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 08:47 PM   #36869
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How you doing in the FYROM? (just kidding)
It could be much better. And we don't have sea border s to worry about.
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 09:01 PM   #36870
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 09:10 PM   #36871
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Can Slovenians understand Croatian (if they haven't studied it), and vice versa?
Yeah, more or less. I speak Croatian fluently.

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My personal understanding is that those areas are purely Croatian. Because the borders were defined decades ago or if we go back in time since 1945 and then in the 70's. Also I think that the arbitration was not correct and maybe there was bribing or something, but anyway I stand with the Croatian side on this.
Maritime borders weren't defined in Yugoslavia. The Gulf of Piran was almost entirely controlled by SR Slovenia, so the court assigned it to us. If you're interested why exactly it was given to us, you can read it here (chapters V and VI).
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"Almost" in that sentence is only from political not from linguistic point of view.
I don't know any of these languages. But motorway is autocesta in Croatian and Autoput in Serbian, so I though there were some differences.
Are they comparable with BrE and AmE, that apart few words (motorway/freeway, lift/elevator, colour/color, fizzy drink/soda, lorry/truck, ect...) are the same language?
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I don't know any of these languages. But motorway is autocesta in Croatian and Autoput in Serbian, so I though there were some differences.
Are they comparable with BrE and AmE, that apart few words (motorway/freeway, lift/elevator, colour/color, fizzy drink/soda, lorry/truck, ect...) are the same language?
I guess yes. Saying autocesta instead of autoput does not make you a foreigner.

AFAIK Macedonian and Slovenian language are noticeably different from Croatian or Serbian language, but the latter ones are almost the same. There is perhaps a difference in pronunciation of the question word "What"?
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I don't know any of these languages. But motorway is autocesta in Croatian and Autoput in Serbian, so I though there were some differences.
Are they comparable with BrE and AmE, that apart few words (motorway/freeway, lift/elevator, colour/color, fizzy drink/soda, lorry/truck, ect...) are the same language?
Re American and British English, I wouldn't even say "apart from a few words": They are the same language, with multiple standards. Linguists call it a "pluricentric language" and there are lots of them in the world....

Ahem. [End soapbox mode]

Now, if Italy just took the whole Istrian penisula back, that would save everyone some trouble.
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Now, if Italy just took the whole Istrian penisula back, that would save everyone some trouble.
Nah, the future is the Free Territory of Trieste 2.0 from the Timavo to the Mirna.
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Their main export will be Hausbrandt?
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I don't know any of these languages. But motorway is autocesta in Croatian and Autoput in Serbian, so I though there were some differences.
Are they comparable with BrE and AmE, that apart few words (motorway/freeway, lift/elevator, colour/color, fizzy drink/soda, lorry/truck, ect...) are the same language?
We have been talking language issues on this thread very far back as I remember well... Those four language (BCSM) in the Balkans are based on a same dialect. That dialect has mainly two variants one is the 'western' and the other would be the 'eastern' variant. The eastern is used as a standard in Serbia only but on the same dialect as the western variant.
So technically there are different words and different pronunciation, but the languages are more or less based on a same ground.
If there were no borders or war times, those languages could be codified as one language.
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Just wait for the Austria-Hungarian resurrection, guys.
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I don't know any of these languages. But motorway is autocesta in Croatian and Autoput in Serbian, so I though there were some differences.
Are they comparable with BrE and AmE, that apart few words (motorway/freeway, lift/elevator, colour/color, fizzy drink/soda, lorry/truck, ect...) are the same language?
Yes, some casual mistakes when Slovenians in Croatia actualy speak Serbo-Croatian and use Serbian words instead of Croatian. And most of them made such mistakes with Serbian because they don't know it's the same in Slovenian and Croatian.

Autoput, kola, pare, voz, zemljotres and so on...

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Their main export will be Hausbrandt?
Also Illy coffee, Terrano and Malvasia wines and salt from Sicciole.
But the main economic activities will be the finacial ones, as it will become a tax heaven like Liechtenstein or the Caymans.
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