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Old September 12th, 2017, 07:12 PM   #36961
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I'm also finding SSC is often slow to open the last few days. Not having that problem with any other site. Usually it's the ads (if you just hit the stop-loading command, it'll stop and everything except the ads will be there. But sometimes it's pages that are full of videos.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 07:43 PM   #36962
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I was in an electronics store last week and I opened on my phone exactly one link for a product sold there (I opened it on facebook messenger browser as the link was sent by someone to me through facebook private message). Guess what facebook ads shows me daily since then...
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Old September 12th, 2017, 09:08 PM   #36963
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The Weather Channel's reporting live from I don't know what freeway (It'd have to be I-75 or 85, I'd think) in Henry County, Georgia. (Because Irma was still a tropical storm when its effects reached the Atlanta area yesterday.) You'll be happy to know that the lane the reporter's van is in is nearly stopped, the lane to its left is moving slowly, and the lane to ITS left is much faster.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 10:40 PM   #36964
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Facebook doesn't listen to conversations, that is a conspiracy. Super cookies and MAC address collection is the real deal though.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 10:49 PM   #36965
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Old September 12th, 2017, 10:51 PM   #36966
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I always like to point out the sheer number of people who'd need to spend time listening to a lot of really uninteresting conversations. (Listening mechanically is another matter, but that doesn't really bother me. What would bother me is an actual human being listening to my conversations or reading my email. Ads for things I'm interested in don't really bother me either.)

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Old September 12th, 2017, 11:00 PM   #36967
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Okay, here's a general European road question:

Someone in I forget which thread mentioned a route from some place to some place else involving route 93/Exx in Finland and route 93 in Norway. The connection of two route 93s jumped out at me....

It's quite common in North America for neighboring states to coordinate state-route numbering. In New England, or between New England and New York, a state route that reaches a state border and continues as a state route in the next state* will have the same number in both states. I know of only one exception to that, where N.Y. 7 becomes Vt. 9.

And you can find American routes continuing with the same number in Canada...Manitoba highways 59 and 75 connect to the U.S. routes with the same numbers.

I've noticed that that sort of coordination almost never happens in Europe. It existed between East and West Germany because (I assume) they'd inherited the prewar numbering. I haven't looked at maps to see whether it happens between pieces of the ex-Yugoslavia, between Slovakia and the Czech Republic, between pieces of the ex-Soviet Union; but it doesn't happen along, well, long-standing national borders - Belgium/the Netherlands, for example.

Don't know where I'm going with this, just an observation. Those two route 93s connecting in northern Scandinavia is unusual for Europe.

*Sorry for all those "state"s.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 11:08 PM   #36968
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A main reason is the fact that road numbers are generally not as important as they are in North America. Many countries didn't introduce numbering for motorways until the 1960s or 1970s. As the road system is less of a grid, cardinal directions were less common to use in navigation. People would navigate via city names (Paris to Bordeaux), not route numbers + cardinal directions (for example highway 10 south).
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Old September 12th, 2017, 11:27 PM   #36969
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There are some:

A1 (UK) - N1 (IRL)
A4 (D) - A4 (PL)
M1 (BY) - M1 (RUS)
D2 (CZ) - D2 (SK)
D1 (CZ) - A1 (PL)
A3 (HR) - A3 (SRB)
A1 (SRB) - M1 (MK) - A1 (GR)

I think that only A4 in D/PL and A1 in Greece are random, other were once part of the same country.

Moreover, N, S, FIN and DK don't use national numbers for E-roads, so those roads keep the same number when they cross a border.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old September 12th, 2017, 11:36 PM   #36970
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I think that only A4 in D/PL and A1 in Greece are random, other were once part of the same country.
A4 in D and PL was also located in the same country when it was built... But it wasn't called A4 that time...

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Old September 12th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #36971
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Also the one between CZ and PL is probably random, unless it was coordinated between them.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old September 13th, 2017, 12:03 AM   #36972
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I think that only A4 in D/PL and A1 in Greece are random, other were once part of the same country.
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nope. HR A3 was introduced in 2000. SRB A3 was introduced in 2016.
till 2000 HR A3 was called D4. till 2016 SRB A3 was called 1.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 12:33 AM   #36973
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A1 (UK) - N1 (IRL)
A4 (D) - A4 (PL)
M1 (BY) - M1 (RUS)
D2 (CZ) - D2 (SK)
D1 (CZ) - A1 (PL)
A3 (HR) - A3 (SRB)
It is inherited. It is the first and only completed motorway in Czechoslovakia. Its first purpose was to connect Brno with Bratislava which was done in 90s yet within Czechoslovakia. Furthermore the motorway was extended to Hungarian borders in 1998 and the last missing section (a tunnel) was opened in 2007 (I live in walking distance to one portal of the tunnel).

By the way, it does not concern only motorways. We still have a lot of continual first class roads with CZ. Moreover it reflects mostly to numbering of II. class roads that generally range from 425 to 595. Smaller numbers are "reserved" for the Czech Republic. The same goes for I. class roads that are not connecting Slovak cities with Czech ones. These range from 40 to 80, although some II. class roads have been reclassified and given smaller numbers.

Even some milestones are counted from Prague

edit: even ZIP codes respect Czechoslovakia This division is still valid:

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Old September 13th, 2017, 01:09 AM   #36974
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A main reason is the fact that road numbers are generally not as important as they are in North America. Many countries didn't introduce numbering for motorways until the 1960s or 1970s. As the road system is less of a grid, cardinal directions were less common to use in navigation. People would navigate via city names (Paris to Bordeaux), not route numbers + cardinal directions (for example highway 10 south).
I would have guessed it's because a lot of systems are self-contained, if you know what I mean. Roads in the province of Antwerp that aren't important enough to be single digits or multiples of 10 have numbers beginning with 1, and if that doesn't line up with what the Dutch are doing in Noord-Brabant...
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Old September 13th, 2017, 02:27 PM   #36975
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There are some:

A1 (NI) - N1 (IRL)
A4 (D) - A4 (PL)
M1 (BY) - M1 (RUS)
D2 (CZ) - D2 (SK)
D1 (CZ) - A1 (PL)
A3 (HR) - A3 (SRB)
A1 (SRB) - M1 (MK) - A1 (GR)

I think that only A4 in D/PL and A1 in Greece are random, other were once part of the same country.

Moreover, N, S, FIN and DK don't use national numbers for E-roads, so those roads keep the same number when they cross a border.
Tidied. Just being pedantic as there's an A1 in England & Scotland that runs from Edinburgh to London down the east side of the country. There are some parts that are motorway (A1M) but not from Edinburgh to Gateshead (Eng).
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Old September 14th, 2017, 09:46 PM   #36976
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People would navigate via city names (Paris to Bordeaux), not route numbers + cardinal directions (for example highway 10 south).
I wouldn't say that road numbers aren't important, but it depends on the circumstances. At least in my experience.
Let's say someone asks in a conversation for a vague route from Hamburg to Amsterdam. One would then probably say "follow the motorway until you reach Osnabrück. Amsterdam will be signed from there on."
However if someone asks for directions one will probably give a more accurate route like "A1 til Osnabrück, then follow A30 to the border and thereafter you follow the Dutch A1".

In terms of navigating non-motorways it's quite popular in Germany to use the numbering of highways (but then again not of local roads), because people usually don't know significant towns along the way. So if one would advise someone for a route to Meppen from Hamburg, one will probably say that the other person should leave the A1 at Cloppenburg and that he has to follow the B213 and later the B402, because nobody really knows Haselünne as a control-town.
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However if someone asks for directions one will probably give a more accurate route like "A1 til Osnabrück, then follow A30 to the border and thereafter you follow the Dutch A1".
That's true, but people generally won't say 'follow A1 south to A30 west which turns into Dutch A1 west'.

While people are not totally oblivious to cardinal directions in Europe, it's generally not used much in navigation on the road system.
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On the other hand, using cardinal directions for exits is quite common in some European countries whereas names of exits are never indicated as such in North America.

For example if a motorway passes a city from west to east, the exit naming sequence would be 'Townsville-West', Townsville-Center', 'Townsville-East'.
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Not quite "never"; some toll roads (such as the Pennsylvania Turnpike) have official names for their exits.

The "Downingtown" in all caps on this sign is the name of the exit. And - to bring us back to directions - there are a "Harrisburg East" and "Harrisburg West." That's just off the top of my head; there may be others.

http://www.aaroads.com/northeast/pen...xit_312_02.jpg

P.S.: Philadelphia traffic reports usually refer to Turnpike interchanges by name.
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In terms of navigating non-motorways it's quite popular in Germany to use the numbering of highways (but then again not of local roads), because people usually don't know significant towns along the way. So if one would advise someone for a route to Meppen from Hamburg, one will probably say that the other person should leave the A1 at Cloppenburg and that he has to follow the B213 and later the B402, because nobody really knows Haselünne as a control-town.
People do not use navigators in Germany? Just enter the destination and let the navigator choose the route.
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