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Old September 21st, 2017, 02:10 PM   #37041
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I thought that Vienna Convention on Road Traffic stated that only national requirements for car dotation are needed even when travelling in a foreign nation, but I couldn't find such an Article.

But on another note, while browsing the document I found this:
1. Every moving vehicle or combination of vehicles shall have a driver.


So much for autonomous driving!
Is the driver defined as a human being?
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Old September 21st, 2017, 02:18 PM   #37042
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I think the thing about Vienna Convention stating that is a myth. Although very popular in Poland.

Vienna Convention states somewhere that a car allowed to be used in one country is also allowed to be used in any other country that signed the Convention. But for me, extending it to the obligatory equipment is overinterpretation.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 02:20 PM   #37043
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C'mon, CNGL, you are not 16 years old anymore, unless you are time traveling. Few things irk me on the transportation section of SSC, this "OMG word in one language reads so funny in another language" seems so unnecessary...
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Old September 21st, 2017, 03:19 PM   #37044
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I thought that Vienna Convention on Road Traffic stated that only national requirements for car dotation are needed even when travelling in a foreign nation, but I couldn't find such an Article.
The Vienna convention is kind of a paper tiger. Most of its technical chapters are superseded by the EU-level legislation, and every member country has power to submit a bunch of reservations.

What is surprising is that the EU has not barred those country-specific mandatory equipment. I my opinion, most of them are against the principle of free travel.

I can understand safety-related exceptions to the "Cassis de Dijon" principle, such as mandatory winter tyres in the North and in the high mountains. But I have some difficulties to accept the need for covering the windscreen with triljards of country-specific stickers for various purposes.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 03:48 PM   #37045
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Every country thinks their regulations are the best.

EU emission standards have been introduced over 40 years ago, so every car sold across the EU has to conform to the same standards. Yet every country implements environmental zones based on different criteria. It's ridiculous that there is no harmonization on this issue.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 05:43 PM   #37046
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It seems that neither over-f*cking nor under-f*cking
The common translation would be upper f* and lower f* though. Like "Lower Franconia" (Unterfranken)


The Bavarian Ministry of Science published an English homepage some years ago to promote the Bavarian universities. They also presented the 7 regions (Bezirke) Lower Franconia, Middle Franconia, Upper Franconia, Upper Palatinate, Swabia, Upper Bavaria and Lower Bavaria.

Afterwards, they've translated it to German. Lower Bavaria was translated to Niederbayern (correct) but Lower Franconia was translated to Niederfranken instead of Unterfranken

http://www.nordbayern.de/region/die-...sich-1.2840425
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Old September 21st, 2017, 05:53 PM   #37047
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I'm aware of that, I just had to do a joke.
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C'mon, CNGL, you are not 16 years old anymore, unless you are time traveling. Few things irk me on the transportation section of SSC, this "OMG word in one language reads so funny in another language" seems so unnecessary...
I was just pointing out that famous Austrian village is not the only one to have that name, and I just had to make a pun (BTW, Fugging also used to be named F*cking, it was run as an April Fools' hook in the Did You Know section of Wikipedia).

Recently I rediscovered Furcia/Furkel pass in Bolzano/Bozen/Bulsan province in Northern Italy, its Italian name happens to mean "slut" in Spanish (albeit with a different pronounciation). Of course I won't be saying this everywhere.
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 02:40 AM   #37048
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C'mon, CNGL, you are not 16 years old anymore
He isn't?
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 09:49 AM   #37049
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I will have holidays in October. I booked a flight from Cologne to Madrid (Oct 8), another one from Barcelona to Cologne a few days later, I booked hotel rooms and a train ticket from Madrid to Barcelona.
And now I see Catalonians want to have a referendum on Oct 1, the central government prohibited it, the police attacked demonstrants in Barcelona, several Catalonian politicians were arrested.
What do you think, will Spain mid October be safe? Will trains run between Madrid and Barcelona?
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 10:05 AM   #37050
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I'm aware of that, I just had to do a joke.
Believe me, you hadn't.
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 10:29 AM   #37051
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Longest continuous road ?

I have found out the longest continuous direct driving route. Meaning the longest route you can drive without having to take a ferry.

With only 2 customs checkpoints and no ferries you can drive 14221km from the west of Europe to the east of Asia.

You start in Sagres, Portugal and drive to Khasan, Russia (at the north korean border)

It takes 160 hours.



I actually tried destinations as Singapore and Hong Kong, but google maps can not create a connection between those cities and Sagres, Portugal.

Google does not like to route plan through Afganistan and Pakistan, also it's not possible to get route directions for China in google maps. Why so ?

Google suggests that it is possible to drive from Sagres, Portugal to Magadan, Russia which is 15229km, but the road to Magadan is more expedition like road not open all year round.


Google suggests this "road" to Magadan.
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 10:56 AM   #37052
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I will have holidays in October. I booked a flight from Cologne to Madrid (Oct 8), another one from Barcelona to Cologne a few days later, I booked hotel rooms and a train ticket from Madrid to Barcelona.
And now I see Catalonians want to have a referendum on Oct 1, the central government prohibited it, the police attacked demonstrants in Barcelona, several Catalonian politicians were arrested.
What do you think, will Spain mid October be safe? Will trains run between Madrid and Barcelona?
Of course. No matter what, the conflict will continue but there is not going to be a war.
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 12:31 PM   #37053
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I will have holidays in October. I booked a flight from Cologne to Madrid (Oct 8), another one from Barcelona to Cologne a few days later, I booked hotel rooms and a train ticket from Madrid to Barcelona.
And now I see Catalonians want to have a referendum on Oct 1, the central government prohibited it, the police attacked demonstrants in Barcelona, several Catalonian politicians were arrested.
What do you think, will Spain mid October be safe? Will trains run between Madrid and Barcelona?
The police didn’t attacked.

It was demonstrators impeding a judicial inquiry, attacking judicial and police officials.

It’s true that they were arresting Politicians in Catalonia: but it’s for corruption (construction, money laundering, public funds…) and fraudulent use of personal and private data (violación de la privacidad de datos ).

And all of this for a illegal secessionist referendum, that Spanish constitution didn’t allow as same as another’s constitution laws of Europe, like the Portuguese, French, Italian and German will do.

Also, Catalan separatists do a hate and violence speech against Spanish Language and anything about Spain including Spaniards, attacking institutions or people that don’t think as they do in Catalonia.

Referring to your ask, yes: You will be safe in all Spain. Violent people are a minority’s that make a lot of sound, and they started a marketing strategy for make people in another country’s think that they are victims, and that’s all about.
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 12:33 PM   #37054
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No please... no political matters here, I beg you...
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 06:12 PM   #37055
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Listening to Theresa May's speech...I've never been clear what the "single market" is. (In the speech, it sounds as if she's given up on staying in it.) Can someone explain what that is? As unpolemically as possible, please...just trying to understand.
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 06:58 PM   #37056
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It's not a political issue, it's a technical term. A single or common market is a trade bloc between countries where most trade barriers (tariff and non-tariff) have been removed with all participatory countries effectively becoming one market with harmonised legislation. This doesn't apply just to goods, but to all factors of production (labour and capital, too). It's essentially a significant upgrade to a free-trade zone (such as NAFTA), which usually has a more limited scope. The European Union is a single market, although there are some restrictions on cross-border services.
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 07:05 PM   #37057
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Thanks. If memory serves, there was talk of Britain's leaving the E.U. but remaining in the single market. I wasn't clear (am still not clear, I guess) how that would work or even if it made sense. But maybe by ruling that out, May herself has reached that realization.
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This is the European Single Market. Besides the EU it also includes Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland.
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 01:18 AM   #37059
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This is the European Single Market. Besides the EU it also includes Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland.
You're right, although the non-EU members have negotiated some additional exceptions. As I understood May, the UK wants to go from being a full-fledged EU member to having a status akin to Norway or Switzerland for the two-year period. I wouldn't be surprised if this transitional period were prolonged indefinitely, though.

The reason why this sort of status has been unacceptable for the Brits so far is that they would normally still have to contribute to the EU budget for the privilege of access, accept some freedom of movement of labour and be subject to ECJ jurisdiction (the court is basically a sort of referee on the single market), all red lines for the UK government. So if this transitional period came to fruition, it would be kinda ironic. There have been constant complaints that the UK is at the mercy of the EU, yet as a member state it does, in fact, have a say in the matters. Now, as a participant in the single market but outside of the EU, it would still be subject to a large chunk of the legislation, but would lose all voting power.
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 01:51 AM   #37060
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I usually fall more to the side of the generally very responsible and reasonable British when it comes to EU issues but the whole Brexit negotiation is pretty silly, they are requesting to have full access to export goods to the continental EU but have no access of the people to come to the UK

Maybe if we are lucky they'll keep negotiating for 5 years and eventually forget about the whole thing

The whole Brexit is tremendously tragic if only for one reason - proving De Gaulle right about something
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