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Old November 13th, 2017, 11:23 AM   #37461
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We have not had a grammar issue for a while: so let it be

I have recently found a geek function in my cell phone: a narrated time during the alarm. It is very practical but in my case, if the alarm is set on 6:00 AM, it speaks "it's six hundred hours" which sounds ridiculous to me. I know that sometimes the time is not displayed with colon like 600, 1800, 1445, but I have not ever heard someone speaking "it is six hundred hours".

Is that normal or is it just a bug? Because when I snooze the alarm it turns normal and speaks "it's six five" (6:05).
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Old November 13th, 2017, 11:29 AM   #37462
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Yes you can say that, sounds rather mechanical but yes people might say that if they are emphasising the fact that it is precisely 6:00. I would be more likely to say 'it is 6 on the dot' but I guess that is a bit long and more idiomatic. It sounds less strange after midday, 'it is twelve hundred, fourteen hundred, eighteen hundred' are said more I suspect than 'it is nine hundred'. That said I would rarely call 18:00 'eighteen hundred'.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 12:32 PM   #37463
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We have not had a grammar issue for a while: so let it be

I have recently found a geek function in my cell phone: a narrated time during the alarm. It is very practical but in my case, if the alarm is set on 6:00 AM, it speaks "it's six hundred hours" which sounds ridiculous to me. I know that sometimes the time is not displayed with colon like 600, 1800, 1445, but I have not ever heard someone speaking "it is six hundred hours".

Is that normal or is it just a bug? Because when I snooze the alarm it turns normal and speaks "it's six five" (6:05).
It is a normal convention to express the "military time" written in four figures (hhmm).
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Old November 13th, 2017, 03:54 PM   #37464
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A lot of snow fell in Bologna today. I guess it's fairly rare to have a snow cover in the first half of November. Bologna is only at 54 meters above sea level.

According to Wikipedia: Snow occasionally falls during winter and heavy snowfalls; the last major event was in February 2012, when almost a meter of snow fell in the city.



Snow also caused chaos in Slovenia:
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Old November 13th, 2017, 04:38 PM   #37465
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Snowfalls in flat areas of Italy are extremely rare in November. Where I live I remember only an episode some years ago. But it was at the end of the month and there was far less snow than that.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 07:22 PM   #37466
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if the alarm is set on 6:00 AM, it speaks "it's six hundred hours" which sounds ridiculous to me.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 10:52 PM   #37467
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Old November 14th, 2017, 12:26 AM   #37468
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Concerning the time, the people in Poland usually say e.g. "it's six zero zero" if they want to specify that it's exactly 6:00, and not 6:01 or 5:59.

It's not an official way of saying, rather a colloquial thing.

Also, even though the clocks display the midnight as "0:00" and then "0:01" etc., colloquially people usually call it 24, and then e.g. 24:12 for 0:12. Nobody will say it's "zeroth twelve". Concerning the official way of saying such times - the TV stations in the announcements say just that e.g. the movie X will start "twelve minutes after the midnight" (when it's gonna start at 0:12) instead of the normal way of saying it, like that the movie Y will start "at fifteenth twelve" (when it's gonna start at 15:12).

This "six hundred hours" is kind of similar to the German way of saying years. In Polish we say the years just as normal numbers, like the year 1998 is just the year "one thousand nine hundred ninety eighth" (we use the ordinal numerals for that in Polish, same is with the hours), unlike in English, where it would be "nineteen ninety eight", or German, where it would be "nineteen hundred ninety eight" - "neunzehnhundertachtundneunzig".

And it's also partially French, as the word "hours" is said in plural.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 01:57 AM   #37469
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I'm always amused when traffic is stopped for some few cm of snow, it's so hilarious
is it just crazy people or complete lack of salt? I think not even...
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Old November 14th, 2017, 06:21 AM   #37470
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It's amazing how dumb kids can be. I never did anything as stupid as that even when I was a kid.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:30 AM   #37471
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Concerning the time, the people in Poland usually say e.g. "it's six zero zero" if they want to specify that it's exactly 6:00, and not 6:01 or 5:59.

It's not an official way of saying, rather a colloquial thing.

Also, even though the clocks display the midnight as "0:00" and then "0:01" etc., colloquially people usually call it 24, and then e.g. 24:12 for 0:12. Nobody will say it's "zeroth twelve". Concerning the official way of saying such times - the TV stations in the announcements say just that e.g. the movie X will start "twelve minutes after the midnight" (when it's gonna start at 0:12) instead of the normal way of saying it, like that the movie Y will start "at fifteenth twelve" (when it's gonna start at 15:12).

This "six hundred hours" is kind of similar to the German way of saying years. In Polish we say the years just as normal numbers, like the year 1998 is just the year "one thousand nine hundred ninety eighth" (we use the ordinal numerals for that in Polish, same is with the hours), unlike in English, where it would be "nineteen ninety eight", or German, where it would be "nineteen hundred ninety eight" - "neunzehnhundertachtundneunzig".

And it's also partially French, as the word "hours" is said in plural.


Colloquially, English-speaking people pretty much use the 12-hour clock exclusively: that 0012 would be 12:12 a.m.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:57 AM   #37472
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It's amazing how dumb kids can be. I never did anything as stupid as that even when I was a kid.
Anyway hats off to lorry driver's senses.

Btw. I have tried to troll my alarm clock and set it to 6:43 It remained silent
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:25 AM   #37473
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I'm always amused when traffic is stopped for some few cm of snow, it's so hilarious
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The very basic risk management principle tells us that the maximum sum to invest in risk mitigation is the projected impact of the risk multiplied by the probability of the risk.

In areas like Bologna, both the probability and impact of a heavy snowfall are moderately low. In such cases, the risk may be accepted as such: Just have a day off and wait for the snow to go away. Why to put money in managing a weather condition occurring seldom.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 10:28 AM   #37474
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I lived in Bologna for 12 years, and I remember heavy snow only 2 times. I guess from 1998 to 2017 there were 5 or 6 events of snow.
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The very basic risk management principle tells us that the maximum sum to invest in risk mitigation is the projected impact of the risk multiplied by the probability of the risk.

In areas like Bologna, both the probability and impact of a heavy snowfall are moderately low. In such cases, the risk may be accepted as such: Just have a day off and wait for the snow to go away. Why to put money in managing a weather condition occurring seldom.
Needless to say salt is not very favourable for environment
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I lived in Bologna for 12 years, and I remember heavy snow only 2 times. I guess from 1998 to 2017 there were 5 or 6 events of snow.
I can guess that. The cost of snow management follows the S curve: Quite a lot of money is needed to reach a minimum useful level.

The press in the North sometimes makes fun of areas closing schools and facing a traffic chaos after getting two centimeters of snow. In my opinion, temporary closures are quite a clever move compared to investing zillions in an army of snow ploughs needed once every second year.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 11:12 AM   #37477
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Needless to say salt is not very favourable for environment
It depends of kind of salt. Obviously no salt is better but once I was in a high mountain area where cows and other animals were in barely freedom (barely traffic and a lot of green areas).

They remain in freedom until it snows at all, it will be when they will remain indoor for several months. In those previous months we can have frozen roads and the only solution is salt.

Salt is specially chosen for nature. They will let green to develop and... it can be eaten by cows (this kind of animals try to eat it from roads, therefore they have to put more than usual...)

It is not the best solution but sometimes it is the only solution and affordable with environment
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Old November 14th, 2017, 05:35 PM   #37478
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I don't know. Thie first moment the driver could see the kid is this:

Two seconds and approx. 25 meters later he stopped:

It seems to be impossible for me.
OK, some people write that kind of truck has sensors and automatic brakes, so the driver's reaction time does not matter at all - he could have been sleeping, the truck had stopped any way. Even so, it's like a wonder.
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I don't think the truck was traveling at 80 km/h at that time.

Still, truck brakes have tremendous stopping power today. Just look at this video, the truck manages to come to a complete stop from 60 km/h in only a few meters.



Of course, this only works if the trucks get proper maintenance. Statens Vegvesen often shares photos of trucks with completely corroded brakes or even 1 cm cracks in the discs. Norway is one of the few countries with widespread truck inspection along the roads. The truck volumes are more managable there. There are truck inspection stations in some areas of Norway.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 06:42 PM   #37480
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or German, where it would be "nineteen hundred ninety eight" - "neunzehnhundertachtundneunzig".
Translating the German "1998" back to English, it's "nineteen hundred eight and ninety" though
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