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Old December 20th, 2017, 03:43 PM   #37701
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"Organisierung" is not a German word but "Organisation". However, I think you talk about the Eisenbahn-Verkehrsordnung.
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Old December 20th, 2017, 03:47 PM   #37702
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The Hungarian word "autópálya" means literally car track. I suppose it's a literal translation of German "Autobahn". It is signed just like anywhere in Europe. Lower standard roads are called "autóút", literally car road. They're signed like expressways or controll accessed roads in many countries.
A category like a second class expressway was planned, but those plans were recently cancelled.
The standards for "autóút" were in the recent years upwards changed, no 1+1 autóút may be planned and constructed any more, but some older ones are still there and they were not declassified.
Most of Hungarian people that speak English translate autópálya as motorway and autóút as expressway. It's not precise, but I think it's OK.

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No new such roads will be built, and some of the remaining ones have been upgraded to motorways.
In Hungary the majority of planned motorways were downgraded to lower standards, and will be signed as autóút. Corruption increased so heavily that technical parameters must be lowered in order to be able to be financed.
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Old December 20th, 2017, 03:51 PM   #37703
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"Organisierung" is not a German word
Duden has a different opinion ;-)
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Old December 20th, 2017, 04:08 PM   #37704
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Ok, but not commonly used... It means "to be organzied". volodaaa wrote about an "order".
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Old December 20th, 2017, 05:28 PM   #37705
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Ok, but not commonly used... It means "to be organzied". volodaaa wrote about an "order".
I am just a beginner so perhaps I mixed it up. But it was supposed to be "the organization of rail transport"

Anyway, duden looks like a handy option
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Old December 20th, 2017, 05:31 PM   #37706
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highway could be used for 'cesta' I suppose. But Slovak people may think you mean a diaľnica.

There are state highways and U.S. Highways, which form the U.S. road system. The vast majority of these highways are not freeways / motorways.

The term 'freeway' is often associated as a non-toll road (free to drive on). So the term freeway is generally not used for toll roads, even though they are designed as freeways.
Yeah, but highway is too nebulous. It is like "some main road of whatever standards and whatever quality".

Motorway sounds more logical, because non-motorized transport is excluded from motorways.

And freeways, they are in Germany, aren't? Btw. the spellchecker (BrE) does not know the word freeway.
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Old December 21st, 2017, 01:17 AM   #37708
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An official name of a household electricity meter is "kolmivaihekilowattituntimittari". There are six words combined: kolmi-vaihe-kilo-watti-tunti-mittari. A three-phase kilowatt-hour meter.
Well, I think, technically speaking, you could say in German e.g. Dreiphasenkilowattstundenmessgerät.

By the way, many households (especially apartments) probably have single-phase and not three-phase ones.

But the most common German name of that is just "Stromzähler", which literally, technically, translates as "current counter" and it's not fully correct as it counts the energy, not the flowing current (even though one is proportional to another when you have constant voltage), but the word Strom is also commonly used by non-specialists for the electric power (also in the common English meaning and not in the technical one, where power is a number telling how much energy the device consumes at the given moment in time).

So when you want to say in German that the power is out, you won't say: "die Leistung fiel aus" (literally "the power has fallen out", German uses this verb "ausfallen" - "fall out" when there is a break in the delivery of any service, which is normally constantly available, from a power outage to a cancelled bus, then either the power or the bus "falls out"), but "der Strom fiel aus".

The same situation as in German is in Polish. We don't say "nie ma mocy" ("there is no power"), but "nie ma prądu" ("there is no current"), or older people often say "nie ma światła" ("there is no light").

By the way, both expressions are not really technically correct. Actually you should say that there is no voltage. Because the current and the power appear only if you close the circuit by connecting a device to a wall socket and turning it on. The only thing that is always present in the socket (unless something fails or you cut it off with the circuit breaker, or, in older systems, by screwing the main fuse out), regardless of whether anything is plugged in or not, is the voltage.
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Old December 21st, 2017, 02:10 AM   #37709
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highway could be used for 'cesta' I suppose. But Slovak people may think you mean a diaľnica.

There are state highways and U.S. Highways, which form the U.S. road system. The vast majority of these highways are not freeways / motorways.

The term 'freeway' is often associated as a non-toll road (free to drive on). So the term freeway is generally not used for toll roads, even though they are designed as freeways.
But realistically, in colloquial American English "highway" usually means a motorway unless one specifically calls out a number (e.g. "State Highway 11"), expressway is clearly defined by the AASHTO as a less-than freeway but then true freeways are signed as such (e.g. the expressways of the New York region) and all other kinds of insanity
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Old December 21st, 2017, 08:27 AM   #37710
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The same situation as in German is in Polish. We don't say "nie ma mocy" ("there is no power"), but "nie ma prądu" ("there is no current"), or older people often say "nie ma światła" ("there is no light").
We also say "the current has fallen out". Or sometimes when the fuses trip we say "Fuses are thrown away" or "damn! I turned on kettle, electric oven, vacuum cleaner and wash machine at the same time so I threw away our fuses"
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Old December 21st, 2017, 11:23 AM   #37711
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By the way, many households (especially apartments) probably have single-phase and not three-phase ones.
It depends... I believe the 3-phase installations are the default ones in most developed countries in houses, which were built during the last 50 years. Quite many tons of copper has been saved.
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Old December 21st, 2017, 02:26 PM   #37712
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It depends... I believe the 3-phase installations are the default ones in most developed countries in houses, which were built during the last 50 years. Quite many tons of copper has been saved.
In houses yes, but from what I know, often only a single phase is delivered to a single apartment. All three phases are distributed between the apartments.

Although sometimes it's helpful to have all three phases, not only if you want to connect an electric kitchen stove or a high power electric motor, but also when it happens that one of the phases "falls out" but others are still present. Normally we have quite stable power in the place where I live, but in the last months, with many strong winds and thunderstorms, we had a few cases with a phase which disappeared.

And after a strong wind or thunderstorm it's even difficult to report such a thing to the power delivery company as their phone is constantly busy. And when you finally manage to do it, they say they will fix it not earlier than tomorrow because they are busy with repairing the power in the places where it's totally out.

And now the pole from which my house is powered (and which is wooden) became the point of interest of a woodpecker... For a moment it looked like it wanted to make a hole in it for a nest... Exactly in the area where the power wires are attached. It was doing it for a few days, but now I can't see it, maybe it resigned as it got colder.

In Poland people often call the fuses corks, so when someone blows the fuse, he says "the corks went out". It's usually for the old-style fuses in screwed-in enclosures:





not for the modern circuit breakers:

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Old December 21st, 2017, 07:50 PM   #37713
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In houses yes, but from what I know, often only a single phase is delivered to a single apartment. All three phases are distributed between the apartments.
What would be the reason for such an arrangement? All the benefits of 3-phase power would be lost and the price tag of cabling would be higher. Thus a lose-lose case.

A 3-phase installation runs at optimum when all the phases carry an equal load. If the L1 cable feeds the apartment A, the L2 apartment B, and the L3 apartment C, the optimum is not likely to be met.

A modern induction stove eats 10 to 11 kilowatts at maximum. It is much more convenient to feed it at [email protected] than [email protected] or to limit the features available simultaneously.

In our apartment, the sauna and stove are fed directly at 3-phase power. For other use, the apartment is divided into several areas fed evenly from all three phases: 16A for kitchen and laundry, and 10A for the other areas.

Last year, I built a small guesthouse of a livingroom and one bedroom in the countryside. Even that building is fed by 3-phase power. Each of the three 1 kW heaters is fed by its own phase.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 12:15 AM   #37714
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In Poland it's typical to power electric stove with 3-phase system. It usually uses 2 phases for the heating fields and the third one for the oven.

It's not possible to equally balance the phases. And, also, you sometimes see smaller detached houses which are single-phase powered. It depends on the maximum power agreed with the power delivery company, for which you pay something in the constant part of your fee. Up to some value, they deliver only a single phase. But it's normal that if someone has an electric kitchen stove, he has so much power ordered that all three phases are delivered.

In my home, the phases are delivered so that one phase powers the lighting and sockets in the basement, another one on the ground floor and another one on the first floor. Now, the installations are usually designed so that the lighting and the sockets in a room are on different phases, so that when one of them is out, there is still some light in the room. But my house is not so new, it's from something like 1970s. It's still good that it has copper wiring - I think somehow around that time, they switched from aluminum to copper in wiring new houses. Another thing which is against the modern standards, but was normal in those times, is that there is no separate earth wire - instead, the neutral wire is also used as the grounding. Which can be dangerous in some situations (if it happens that the neutral wire gets broken, everything behind this place which should be grounded becomes live) and makes it not possible to install a residual current device (RCD).
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 01:14 AM   #37715
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It depends... I believe the 3-phase installations are the default ones in most developed countries in houses, which were built during the last 50 years. Quite many tons of copper has been saved.
I don't think 120/240V countries have 3-phase to houses (with split-phase system), but at the pole yes.
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They have two-phase to houses, where 120 V is between a single phase and neutral and 240 V between both phases. Am I wrong?

Also, if I am not wrong, some European countries use systems where there is 230 V (or something close to it) between the phases and not between a single phase and neutral.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 06:26 AM   #37717
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Am I the only one who doesn't like the new colors for major roads and motorways/expressways/highways in Google Maps? They look too similar.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 11:22 AM   #37718
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Am I the only one who doesn't like the new colors for major roads and motorways/expressways/highways in Google Maps? They look too similar.
its awfully bad. Somebody should complain to Google.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 11:30 AM   #37719
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Am I the only one who doesn't like the new colors for major roads and motorways/expressways/highways in Google Maps? They look too similar.
It may be only me but I have troubles also with minor roads: I can't tell them from the background.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 12:47 PM   #37720
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I don't think 120/240V countries have 3-phase to houses (with split-phase system), but at the pole yes.
Did not notice the scope of the statement: "developed countries"? :-)
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