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Old January 8th, 2018, 03:27 PM   #37961
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Suburban residents spend 2 hours and 30 minutes in their cars every day.
Maybe on a bad day, but if you drive 2h30m every day (1h15m one way), you likely don't live in a suburb but in a distant city.

The same is often said about Los Angeles, with anecdotal evidence of people facing brutal commutes of 2 hours each way, while the U.S. Census Bureau community survey shows that the average commute is only about 30 - 35 minutes one way.

Quite often these outliers tend to be presented as the norm.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 04:07 PM   #37962
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I wondered about that as well, but if that was the case, the rate of cars per 1000 people would continue to increase, to a point that there are more registered cars than inhabitants.

Or maybe it includes motorbikes or certain types of mopeds?
No, it's just habit and mentality. Italians simply use far less PT than other Europeans. My gf learnt to drive only a couple of years ago, and I think she drives less than 500 km per year, but she wanted a car on her own, "just in case".
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Old January 8th, 2018, 04:27 PM   #37963
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According to Eurostat, Italian car usage is pretty much at the EU average.

EU28: 83.1%
Italy: 80.8%

Most countries are within a narrow bandwidth around 80-90%. There are only a few outliers.

Graph: share of car in passenger kilometers (%)

Source: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/tra...a/main-tables#
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Old January 8th, 2018, 04:36 PM   #37964
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It just means that more cars drive less km each...
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Old January 9th, 2018, 02:45 AM   #37965
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Speaking of driving in Italy, I was very surprised to recently find out that according to this, there are more cars per capita in Italy than in Canada. To me it seems the average Italian barely has space for one car, let alone 2-3 per household as is very commonly the case in Canada. Surely it's inaccurate
Difference isn't so much, only ca. 10 %.
Italian population is older than Canadian (46y vs 40y), so higher percentage of adults owning automobiles, whereas Canadian children almost never own cars.
Plus Italian population is more rural and small towns than Canadians who cram themselves into dense metropoli like Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver...
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Old January 9th, 2018, 03:58 AM   #37966
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It's not like that.
My only guess is that cars still act as a status: riding a bus is seen as for poor people and nobody wants to look poor. Majority of people on buses are the elderly, immigrants or young students.
We also have that problem in Poland. Maybe except for the immigrants as we don't have many of them. The reason for the elderly is that those who are over 70 travel on public transport for free in most cities, and those younger who are retired have 50% discount. Also the students and children have 50% discount. So it's more affordable for them to use the public transport. For the working adults it's not so much cheaper especially if you take into account spending more time on the public transport than in a car.

Practically, the only means of public transport that is not considered "for the poor" is the metro.

But those things are changing. Actually, I can also see many young, working adults on the trams and buses. Specifically, the young ones.

There is also this thing:
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It's not just for status symbol, in most cases, outside historic centres, door-o-door travel time is longer via PT.
And also another one. In a car, even if you wait in a traffic jam, you can set air conditioning as you want, you are sitting, you can play whatever music you want without using headphones. It gives you kind of more freedom, which you don't have on the public transport.

But, actually, the percentage of people travelling in the cities on the public transport rather than in cars is much greater in Poland than e.g. in Germany. Which is really surprising, as travelling by public transport seems to be more popular and not considered as "for the poor" in Germany.

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Italian population is older than Canadian (46y vs 40y), so higher percentage of adults owning automobiles, whereas Canadian children almost never own cars.
Well, children in Europe don't drive cars as you must be 18 to be able to obtain a driving licence. And, by the way, in Poland it's so that if a young driver possesses a car, he is usually a co-owner only with one of the parents, because the civil liability insurance is much more expensive for the young drivers. And in such a way, they can at least make use of their parents' discounts for driving without causing accidents for a long time.

I believe, you meant the students over 18.

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Old January 9th, 2018, 09:14 AM   #37967
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Maybe on a bad day, but if you drive 2h30m every day (1h15m one way), you likely don't live in a suburb but in a distant city.

The same is often said about Los Angeles, with anecdotal evidence of people facing brutal commutes of 2 hours each way, while the U.S. Census Bureau community survey shows that the average commute is only about 30 - 35 minutes one way.

Quite often these outliers tend to be presented as the norm.
I am not exaggerating. It indeed takes you exactly that time while outside the rush hour time it adds up to approximately 25-30 min omitting the time required to find a legal parking place.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 09:27 AM   #37968
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A Serbian Christmas...

When you refer to Wikipedia's list of countries ranked per capita by gun ownership, America is #1 and Serbia #2. Combined, this is the result...Orthodox Christmas festivities in a small California town of Jackson



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Old January 9th, 2018, 12:11 PM   #37969
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Not much different from the New Year's eve in Naples.

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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 12:49 PM   #37970
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An 82-years-old German guy wanted to visit his wife in a hospital near Munich, but instead he got lost and ended up in driving 500 kilometers, until he had a minor accident in Carpi, near Bologna. He suffered from memory loss.

http://m.gazzettadimodena.gelocal.it...rpi-1.16323367
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 12:58 PM   #37971
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An 82-years-old German guy wanted to visit his wife in a hospital near Munich, but instead he got lost and ended up in driving 500 kilometers, until he had a minor accident in Carpi, near Bologna. He suffered from memory loss.

http://m.gazzettadimodena.gelocal.it...rpi-1.16323367
Yes, why revoke the license and the ownership of a car to someone who has been diagnosed with dementia?
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Old January 9th, 2018, 02:20 PM   #37972
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Line 6 of Naples metro is going to reopen, after extensive works for extending its course, at the end of this year. For the occasion, some brand new trains have been bought.... which they just realized they cannot be used, because they're 39 meters long and cannot be lowered into the track because the only opening on the surface is 27 meters. And besides, they still don't have a storage unit for them - it should be realized in 5 years.

So what they're going to do is use trains bought for the World Football Championship in 1990, 25 meters long, obsolete, in need of maintenance and with parts extremely difficult to find.

http://corrieredelmezzogiorno.corrie...2f42a2e9.shtml
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Old January 9th, 2018, 02:36 PM   #37973
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Yes, why revoke the license and the ownership of a car to someone who has been diagnosed with dementia?
The license of course yes, but the ownership? Even if one has not a valid license, they may still be the legal owner of a vehicle and let someone else to drive it. Or pass it to a relative as inheritance.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 02:43 PM   #37974
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The license of course yes, but the ownership? Even if one has not a valid license, they may still be the legal owner of a vehicle and let someone else to drive it. Or pass it to a relative as inheritance.
I don't agree.
I am an old man, not able to drive. They revoke my license, I take my car nontheless, go on the roads and kill people.
Revoking licenses is not enough. They must prevent you from actually driving, or at least making it much more difficult.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 03:21 PM   #37975
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why not put him directly in some medical institute? you know, he MIGHT do something to someone...
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Old January 9th, 2018, 04:21 PM   #37976
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Not much different from the New Year's eve in Naples.

This is very Balkan style
But Italy is partially Balkan so..... Albanians, Romanians and others are big population of your country.

Is this pyrotechnics legal to be issued and how is regulated in the law? Can just anyone buy and shoot fireworks after party?
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Old January 9th, 2018, 05:08 PM   #37977
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Some are reserved for 18+ years old, some for 14+
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Old January 9th, 2018, 05:25 PM   #37978
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Do you need to report when using fireworks to the police, as for the time you need to shoot them about the public order?
Is this regulated together with the law for firearms or separately. I saw very strange things on this thread, from guys that shoot in the middle of the street, 'celebrating' with real, automatic weaponary.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 05:41 PM   #37979
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I never fired fireworks but I don't think you need to tell it to the police in advance. Not sure.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 05:56 PM   #37980
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I never fired fireworks but I don't think you need to tell it to the police in advance. Not sure.
I'm speaking about this kind of fireworks. Not small firecrackers.
For instance I know this should be reported to the police, prior to shooting.

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