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Old June 11th, 2009, 06:40 PM   #4581
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Grammar on the other hand, seems more complex.
Grammar is as complex as in any other Slavic language (except Bulgarian and Macedonian, they like things easy :> ). You have 7 cases taken straight from Proto-Indo-European, three genders, animacy and number. Love it or leave it
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Old June 11th, 2009, 06:53 PM   #4582
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Traffic jam in both directions:
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Old June 11th, 2009, 07:11 PM   #4583
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We have beautiful weather today, so I've taken small walk today. Consider this as "pavement-trip", although the pavement wasn't present everywhere...

Red lines - on foot
Orange lines - public transport (subway and bus)


The area between points marked "A" and "B" is untouched by civilisation It's rather swampy piece of land in the middle of the large city (not exactly city center, but come on - there are surely few kms of continuous urban tissue around it and you can get there by subway), with high grass, herbs, bushes and trees. And big housing blocks around, some in construction right now, with 3 or 4 large cranes... Don't consider this as park - it's surely not mantained by man. Only a couple of footpaths lead through this piece of wilderness. 1.5 km of pure nature. Simply awesome

Area marked as C (Miasteczko Wilanów estate, largest housing estate planned for 50.000 people) is much more developed now - the satellite imagery is about 2 years old. When completed it will surely be a nice place to live.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 01:11 AM   #4584
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I'm trying to get some more knowledge of Polish... It's not an easy language, but it's not as hard as it looks at first, Hungarian, Estonian and Finnish seems harder to me.

Reading it is one thing, pronouncing it, is another.

Numerals seems to be not that hard to learn. Once you know the basic 1 - 10, the rest will follow. For instance, 3 = trzy. Thirteen = trzynascie. add "nascie" after 1 - 9, and you basically have 11 - 19. 2 = dwa. 20 = dwadziescia. Add 1 - 9 after it, and you have 21 - 29, like dwadziescia jeden. (21).

Grammar on the other hand, seems more complex.
i would like to hear you pronouncing it polish is hard to pronounce even for slavic languages native speakers
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Old June 12th, 2009, 10:06 AM   #4585
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add "nascie" after 1 - 9, and you basically have 11 - 19
9 - dziewięć
19 - dziewiętnaśnie



But this is nothing. Imagine you want to buy a roll (bułka):

When you want one, you say: Poproszę bułkę.
When 2, 3 or 4 or any mumber ending with these, so f. eg. 792, you say: Poproszę 4 bułki.
When any other number of them: Poproszę 12 bułek.

Njoy!

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Old June 12th, 2009, 10:51 AM   #4586
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12 ends with 2 so it is rather 12 bułki?
Or 12 is exception?
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Old June 12th, 2009, 11:19 AM   #4587
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Yeah, together with 13 and 14.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 12:27 PM   #4588
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Heh! I was starting to scratch my LCD monitor to remove the dirt on it. Then I realized it wasn't normal l but ł
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Old June 12th, 2009, 12:29 PM   #4589
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Hehe...

talking about ł, why can it be substituted with a normal "L"? Since the ł is pronounced more like a "w". Łódź becomes Wutsj and not Lodz.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 12:35 PM   #4590
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Ive thought language is to help communication not to obstruct it...
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Old June 12th, 2009, 12:35 PM   #4591
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It can't be, but some people don't use Polish letters when writing on the computer.

There's a funny example why not to do so:

Nie rób mi łaski - I can do without it!

Nie rób mi laski - Don't suck my...

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Old June 12th, 2009, 12:36 PM   #4592
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About the whole world except Poland
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Old June 12th, 2009, 12:42 PM   #4593
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I meant some people from Poland.

Another example:

woda - water

wóda - slang for vodka

(ó = u)

Not much of a difference, huh?
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Old June 12th, 2009, 03:32 PM   #4594
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Heh! I was starting to scratch my LCD monitor to remove the dirt on it. Then I realized it wasn't normal l but ł
Haha; ł - the dirty letter.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 02:29 PM   #4595
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hungarian is also tricky:

szár: stem
szar: shit

budi: toilet
büdi: smelly
(you can say: büdi budi )

gaz: weed
gáz: gas

tok: capsule
tök: pumpkin

égő: burning or bulb
egó: pride

tálal: serve dishes
talál: find
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Old June 13th, 2009, 02:35 PM   #4596
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I need to talál a budi so that I can égő some gaz.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 03:59 PM   #4597
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hmmm... youre a language specialist...

here are the special hungarian vowels with pronunciation:

á: luck
é: take
í: seen
ö: first, burn
ő: longer version of "ö"
ó: loan
ü: ???
ű: ???
ú: soon

so almost all of these sounds can be found in english words, but we have separate vowels for them...
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Old June 13th, 2009, 04:33 PM   #4598
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Hungarian pronunciation is hard and different than it looks at first glance. For example Imre Nagy – in Polish “nagi” means “naked” but I know that Hungarians pronounce it like “nodge”

We have an old proverb about Polish-Hungarian friendship in Poland:
”Polak, Węgier - dwa bratanki i do szabli i do szklanki” which literally means ”A Pole and a Hungarian – two nephews (personally I think that the word “cousins” would be better but maybe the Old Polish words had different meaning) to a sword and to a glass (drink). Do Hungarians have it too?
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Old June 13th, 2009, 05:20 PM   #4599
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budi: toilet
I know this one from "Budimpešta". "Budim" means toilets (plural), right? It's our expression for Buda(pest). However, the founder of Buddhism (Buddha) is called "Buda".
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"budim" means "my toilet". The plural is "budik" .
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