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Old August 1st, 2009, 05:27 PM   #5161
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My main objection to SUV's is that they're gas guzzlers, especially American ones who don't use diesel.

Even a Chrysler Voyager (2000 kg) 2.5 Diesel gets 35 mpg. A 2008 Chevrolet Suburban gets a freaking 16 mpg combined only... that's as much as a small truck.

Another issue is traffic safety. Those SUV's are very safe for those inside, but what happens if you hit a pedestrian, cyclist or even a compact car?
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Old August 1st, 2009, 11:26 PM   #5162
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Just wondering....who of the non-Dutch speakers here can pronounce the "chtstschr" sound in "slechtstschrijvend"?
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 04:25 AM   #5163
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I got everywhere until now without GPS. It is a great help, that's for sure, but now people don't look out of the car window anymore, just into 8 inch monitor. And if the road which should go right ahead closed for whatever reason, some people don't know anymore what to do.
I strongly agree with you. Watching modern, supposedly intelligent, people on new Slovenian A4 is really funny. They are totally lost. But not because of missing signage but because the road isn't in their GPS! So they are stopping at hard shoulders and clicking their GPSes, searching for paper maps and don't know what to do although all road signs tell them to continue straight forward.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 04:26 AM   #5164
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My main objection to SUV's is that they're gas guzzlers, especially American ones who don't use diesel.

Even a Chrysler Voyager (2000 kg) 2.5 Diesel gets 35 mpg. A 2008 Chevrolet Suburban gets a freaking 16 mpg combined only... that's as much as a small truck.
I don't worry about that as money going for its gas isn't from my pocket.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 05:52 AM   #5165
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Somehow i think Renault is getting worse and worse. Why so many sharp angles and rude lines...?
This is not a new Renault model. Avantime was available in 2001-2003.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 12:04 PM   #5166
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I strongly agree with you. Watching modern, supposedly intelligent, people on new Slovenian A4 is really funny. They are totally lost. But not because of missing signage but because the road isn't in their GPS! So they are stopping at hard shoulders and clicking their GPSes, searching for paper maps and don't know what to do although all road signs tell them to continue straight forward.
People don't pay attention to the signs anymore... Their GPS is always right. They have followed signs like München or Graz or Maribor, but they have no idea if they should follow Ljubljana or Zagreb, because their GPS knows the road, right?

That's why you hear these stupid stories about people getting 600 kilometers away from their destination... If you're heading for Napoli, and you'll see signs that say "Venezia", you and I know you're far from Napoli, and probably on the wrong road, but they have no idea where they are, or which destinations should make sense, and which don't.

Simply: GPS makes people stupid.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 05:55 PM   #5167
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I just did a little trip. Not really far, about 375 kilometers. Video and photomaterial will be uploaded
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Old August 5th, 2009, 06:07 PM   #5168
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Chris, is there some motorway in NL where you haven't driven or at least traveled as passenger?
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Yes, I haven't clinched A208 and A256.

The rest from A-Z.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 06:17 PM   #5170
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Yes, I haven't clinched A208 and A256.

The rest from A-Z.
i thought that could be an answer with some minor motorways. and at others - you have passed all sections, or there are some sections which you've missed?
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Old August 5th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #5171
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I have driven all of the rest... although I think I didn't drive a small portion of A4 north of Bergen op Zoom... that one opened like 1.5 years ago. The rest from begin to end.
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Ah, there is still a piece of Dutch motorway that I have seen and Chris hasn't (A208)
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:47 PM   #5173
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I have driven all of the rest... although I think I didn't drive a small portion of A4 north of Bergen op Zoom... that one opened like 1.5 years ago. The rest from begin to end.
In both directions?
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What's the next question, all lanes?
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Old August 6th, 2009, 12:40 AM   #5175
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Yes, I haven't clinched A208 and A256.
Now that's an embarrassment!
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Old August 6th, 2009, 01:31 AM   #5176
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Old August 6th, 2009, 02:14 AM   #5177
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Isn't Chris usually a bit too slow for the overtaking lane?
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Yeah, Kangoo

I know that I have to shut up with the Prius, but ok
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Don't mess with my 70 HP!
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Old August 6th, 2009, 12:08 PM   #5180
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Everybody goes to the beach
It will get worse, yesterday gave 90 kilometers of traffic congestion because of beachbound traffic.
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