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Old September 7th, 2009, 01:48 PM   #5581
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You also increased your total cost to get from point A to point B.
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Old September 7th, 2009, 01:50 PM   #5582
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Depends on how you measure it. By fuel cost, no, by total cost: perhaps. But I need my car anyway, so I better use it. Why spend money on train tickets if you have a car anyway? It's just double.
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Old September 7th, 2009, 03:39 PM   #5583
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Depends on how you measure it. By fuel cost, no, by total cost: perhaps. But I need my car anyway, so I better use it. Why spend money on train tickets if you have a car anyway? It's just double.
Try to do that in London
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Old September 7th, 2009, 03:41 PM   #5584
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Yeah, but as usual, London is the exception, rather than the rule.
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Old September 8th, 2009, 06:33 AM   #5585
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If using PT or being forced to use PT is communist/socialist whatever, than what about being forced to drive a car to do just about anything like in the US? Isn't that fascist or communist too?


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have you ever heard of buses?
Buses are worthless in suburban areas of US.

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There is no full-car society in the U.S. The amount of people using public transport in the U.S. is about the same as in much of Europe, around 10%. The difference is that city transport is mostly done by buses. Houston's bus service has a daily ridership of 600,000. Los Angeles buses and (small) metro have a ridership of 1,700,000.
Are you talking about urban areas? If so, the amount of people using mass transit is far less than those in the core cities.

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Old September 8th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #5586
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Buses are worthless in suburban areas of US.
On the contrary, buses can be a very good feeder system to a lightrail system, because suburban areas are not dense enough to support a large lightrail system. Buses are much cheaper to operate.
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Old September 8th, 2009, 12:54 PM   #5587
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I used to travel to my ex-girlfriend a lot, she lived 120 kilometers away. Getting from station to station wasn't the problem, just over an hour. However, the total travel time from A to B was more than two hours. Once I got my drivers license, I slashed the travel time to 1 hour and 15 minutes by using my car.
I used to commute to Budapest from an agglomeration village by PT (bus-train-tram-bus).
the 45km route costed me 2:45.
Once I changed to car I slashed the travel time to 1:00
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Old September 8th, 2009, 01:08 PM   #5588
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If using PT or being forced to use PT is communist/socialist whatever, than what about being forced to drive a car to do just about anything like in the US? Isn't that fascist or communist too?
What do you mean "forced to drive"?

you mean it like "forced to work instead of doing nothing and getting aid"?

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and what kind of PT is not "worthless" in suburban areas of US?
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Old September 8th, 2009, 01:45 PM   #5589
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Old September 8th, 2009, 01:53 PM   #5590
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Old September 8th, 2009, 01:54 PM   #5591
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Old September 8th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #5592
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What do you mean "forced to drive"?

you mean it like "forced to work instead of doing nothing and getting aid"?
Rather arrogant answer IMO. Anyways, when I mean being forced to use car, I mean being so dependent on cars to do just about anything.
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Old September 8th, 2009, 02:45 PM   #5593
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I used to commute to Budapest from an agglomeration village by PT (bus-train-tram-bus).
the 45km route costed me 2:45.
Once I changed to car I slashed the travel time to 1:00
Well,thank it to 90% of the people living around you,as they take the train,so you dont have to sit in traffic jam in front of your house:

red-car
blue-train
yellow-bus
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BTW,share of public transport in interurban transport barely decreased in the last 8 years:
http://portal.ksh.hu/pls/ksh/docs/hu...l4_06_08i.html
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Old September 8th, 2009, 04:19 PM   #5594
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Rather arrogant answer IMO. Anyways, when I mean being forced to use car, I mean being so dependent on cars to do just about anything.
you are not FORCED to drive.
you can ride a horse, or bike, or even walk...

when I sad "forced to use PT" I meant:

heavily taxating cars and fuel, but spending this taxes on PT and other government expenditures instead of spending all of it (or at least most of it)on roads, therefore leaving the heavily taxated drivers on heavily congested roads thus making the PT more attractive... (or in other words: the lesser evil)

(Iam talking about europe not USA...)
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Old September 8th, 2009, 04:25 PM   #5595
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Guys, take it from me, a person who had this PT vs car discussion 50 times before in three languages, discussing it over and over again doesn't really get you any further. I must admit I sometimes also contribute in these discussions though
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Old September 8th, 2009, 04:29 PM   #5596
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Well,thank it to 90% of the people living around you,as they take the train,so you dont have to sit in traffic jam in front of your house:
thank you! thank you! thank you! thank you!

but wait a minute: where do you see 90% on trains?

in reality number of commuters (in agglomeration of budapest) going by
car: 400.000 (66%)
train, lightrail, bus : 200.000 (33%)

(train: 70.000 (11%))
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Old September 8th, 2009, 04:38 PM   #5597
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Provide source,please...my source is the statistical office(in fact,the graph was made by Főmterv,who cited KSH as a source). Until you find a source at least this credible,its useless to make up imaginary numbers.

EDIT:BTW,I've already prooved it to Gramercy that what car owners pay is barely enough for the currently built and maintained roads. You barely pay 500 billion HUF tax.
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Old September 8th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #5598
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http://www.levego.hu/letoltes/kapcso...atterheles.pdf (page 6)


"You barely pay 500 billion HUF tax."

yeah, the figure is correct...

why do you think it is not enough?
its enough for 2-300km motorway or 5-700km main road per year...

(and maintenance is nothing, its a few 10 billions...)
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Old September 8th, 2009, 09:50 PM   #5599
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This girl averages about 5,000 text messages on her cell per month.. while driving.

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Old September 8th, 2009, 10:03 PM   #5600
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Dumb bitch should get her license plate revoked IMO.
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