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Old October 3rd, 2009, 08:33 PM   #5841
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Depends on which part of the country you "r". Some areas of the Randstad metropolis speak the "r" quite different than the rest of the Netherlands. "snooty r".
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 08:33 PM   #5842
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Dutch is an ugly language. But hey, I can't help it I was born here

The worst part of Dutch are those language purists who want to write every foreign city name phonetically.

Shanghai = Sjanghai, Chongqing = Tsjoentsjing etc.

Translating nations/subnational entities/city names is very random. For instance, why do we write "Californië" (California), but not "Georgië" (Georgia), while we do say "Georgië", when we're talking about the country? Or why do we translate Berlin into Berlijn, but not Nieuw York or Noord Dakota?
We have that shit in Hungary.
Bruxelles----Brüsszel
Den Haag----Hága
Specially the russian and chinese names tranform into a "hungarian-fonetics" name...but strange not from the western world. Erwin Koeman is Erwin Koeman (hope I´ve written it well).
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 08:47 PM   #5843
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How do they pronounce "Erwin Koeman" in Hungary?
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 09:24 PM   #5844
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We have that shit in Hungary.
Bruxelles----Brüsszel
Den Haag----Hága
i find it good. if there is something i hate in croatian, then it is the fact that we don't have our forms of Bruxelles, Zürich and München.
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 09:39 PM   #5845
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We have that shit in Hungary.
Bruxelles----Brüsszel
Den Haag----Hága
Specially the russian and chinese names tranform into a "hungarian-fonetics" name...but strange not from the western world. Erwin Koeman is Erwin Koeman (hope I´ve written it well).
Actually,just think it over. Both versions we have are the phonetic scripts of the names. "Ksz" instead of "x" is hard to pronounce in that word,so "k" was left out,and the "es" is silent I think in the native form. BTW,listen to it in Wiki in the english article,its pronounced how we write it.

Den Haag is about the same, I think "Den" is actually an article,hence left out (you dont say "a Budapest",do you?).

The chinese names are the same,phonetic versions,though probably in a lot of cases,the english names' versions.
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 10:16 PM   #5846
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"Den Haag" is a prefix, in French it is "La Haye", and in English "The Hague", to give you an idea. In fact the official name for Den Haag used to be 's-Gravenhage but the official name for Den Bosch is 's-Hertogenbosch. Just to make it more simple
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 11:50 PM   #5847
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"Trzciel"

rz = like "j" in French journal.

Tzjtsjel?
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 11:59 PM   #5848
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What's the deal with the 's- prefix?

I really like Dutch names starting with 's- or IJ.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 12:00 AM   #5849
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"Den Haag" is a prefix, in French it is "La Haye", and in English "The Hague", to give you an idea. In fact the official name for Den Haag used to be 's-Gravenhage but the official name for Den Bosch is 's-Hertogenbosch. Just to make it more simple
The official name the Bronx borough in NYC is "The Bronx", just like "The Hague". Maybe because of its Dutch history?

Don't the French also have proper names where the article is part of the name? e.g. La Rochelle.
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What's the deal with the 's- prefix?

I really like Dutch names starting with 's- or IJ.
's means "des" which is old Dutch for "the".

We still use " 's morgens" (in the morning), " 's avonds" (in the evening) etc. Note that with 's at the beginning of a sentence, the next letter will be the capital letter, like " 's Middags". The old sentence would be "des middags".
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Old October 4th, 2009, 01:36 AM   #5851
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"Trzciel"

rz = like "j" in French journal.

Tzjtsjel?
You have chosen the worst example

There are some rules about pronounciation of clusters of vioced and unvioced consonants which are completely unmarked in writing. The 'unvoiced-voiced' cluster will be simplified into the 'unvoiced-unvoiced' one, so t-rz will be pronounced as (t-sz) (other examples: prz -> (psz), krz -> (ksz) and so on). The same rule applies for the 'voiced-unvoiced' clusters: wsz -> (fsz) and even for the clusters created by neighbourng words: mów szeptem -> (móf szeptem). The clusters are simplified because it's much easier to pronounce them that way and it is made almost subconciously.

Also, the 'ci' is one short sound, softened 'ts' (consider german ch in ich, ...chen with ordinary h sound).
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Old October 4th, 2009, 02:02 AM   #5852
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The official name the Bronx borough in NYC is "The Bronx", just like "The Hague". Maybe because of its Dutch history?
There is some Dutch/English history there, yes. The name "Brooklyn" also has some Dutch roots. It was named after a Dutch town called "Breukelen". I went to high school there
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Old October 4th, 2009, 12:34 PM   #5854
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"Trzciel"

rz = like "j" in French journal.

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You have chosen the worst example

There are some rules about pronounciation of clusters of vioced and unvioced consonants which are completely unmarked in writing. The 'unvoiced-voiced' cluster will be simplified into the 'unvoiced-unvoiced' one, so t-rz will be pronounced as (t-sz) (other examples: prz -> (psz), krz -> (ksz) and so on). The same rule applies for the 'voiced-unvoiced' clusters: wsz -> (fsz) and even for the clusters created by neighbourng words: mów szeptem -> (móf szeptem). The clusters are simplified because it's much easier to pronounce them that way and it is made almost subconciously.
isn't polish rź like szech ř? in czech it is "r" and french "j" in the same time (for Dutch probably impossible to pronounce but for many Slavs too )
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Old October 4th, 2009, 01:07 PM   #5855
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rź ? more likely spelled like rzee
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Old October 4th, 2009, 05:18 PM   #5856
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Just get used to it, I think. Dutch really sounds ugly IMO. English and French is more like singing, while Dutch is just some coughing
Hey, where has the proud for your mother tongue been?

Imo dutch isn't that ugly. Our culture is just so overwhelmed by english influences that we've lost a bit the worth of our language. German isn't considered to be a beautiful language either, though I think it's easier understandable for non-natives. They usually don't talk too fast and have a very good articulation, which makes it easier to recognize words.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 05:43 PM   #5857
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I do like my country, but not every aspect of it. I'm not American
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Old October 4th, 2009, 06:12 PM   #5858
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I did a small roadtrip to Bad Oeynhausen (ABRob city) to check out the A30.

distance: 460 km
fuel consumption: 1 l/19.3 km or 5.18 l /100km or 45 mpg.
time: 10.30 - 16.30
Vavg = 77 km/h
Vmax = 140 km/h
Fuel cost: € 22

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My TomTom thought the speed limit in Germany was 250 km/h for a second!
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I'm going to the Netherlands
Using the Danish october break (wonderful thing) and some happy coincidences next week I will have free accomodation in Katwijk. It's not so far from Amsterdam or The Hague.

Any travel tips? Particulary concerning free parking in Amsterdam outskirts?
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