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Old October 25th, 2008, 01:25 AM   #601
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Old October 25th, 2008, 09:35 AM   #602
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Old October 25th, 2008, 04:49 PM   #603
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I was in the Jam - Again!
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Old October 25th, 2008, 04:56 PM   #604
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Dutch autosnelweg must be often really congested road...
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Old October 25th, 2008, 05:19 PM   #605
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Yeah, we had again 2 monster peak hours this week. 580 kilometers of traffic jam on Tuesday and 400 kilometers yesterday.
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Old October 25th, 2008, 05:34 PM   #606
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Today I went to Eindhoven by train, and I haven't seen a single traffic jam on the entire A2! Even for saturday the must be an oddity (the railroad runs almost parallel to the A2 for some kms)
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Old October 25th, 2008, 06:12 PM   #607
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Yeah, we had again 2 monster peak hours this week. 580 kilometers of traffic jam on Tuesday and 400 kilometers yesterday.
what is actually considered under term "jam"? i doubt that you had 580 km of standing cars at roads, is there minimum speed to consider high traffic as a jam?
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Old October 25th, 2008, 06:14 PM   #608
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everything below 50 km/h for at least 2 km is counted as a traffic jam. So yes, we had 580 kilometers of real traffic jam. These are motorways-only. TomTom also counts other roads and is often in the 1.000 kilometer traffic jam range.
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Old October 25th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #609
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I saw a coach from Rusia yesterday - on a local road in my town.

And Chris - isn't it better, when you only post, when you were not in a jam?
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Old October 25th, 2008, 09:10 PM   #610
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wow 500kms of jams on highways... that's a huge number...
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Old October 25th, 2008, 09:22 PM   #611
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Up to 350 kilometers are seen as "normal" (better: "usual") in the Netherlands. below 200 km is a quiet rushhour, above that regular to busy.
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It's worse than Germany, horrible. When I bike to school along the Amsterdam-Rhine channel, I can see the A2, which is mostly congested at some point when I pass there and have a look at it.
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Yeah, the Netherlands, which has a 5 times smaller population than Germany, has usually over 2 times more traffic jams

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Old October 25th, 2008, 11:16 PM   #614
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why is there so much road traffic between cities... i expected of western countries to be more dependent on trains as convenient and cheap travel inside the country...
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We have a very extensive and good train system, for the majority operated by the Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS). However, many still prefer going by car, since the trains are often late, and these people start to think that every train is late. Furthermore, there are lots of jams since the highways don't have the capacity to hold the traffic. The A4 between Amsterdam and Rotterdam, for instance, isn't 2×3 all the way AFAIK. Not a surprise there are jams over there.
-edit- For a map of the Dutch railway system, look over here. I don't post it over here because it is very big and when I resize it, the names on the map aren't readible any more.
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why is there so much road traffic between cities... i expected of western countries to be more dependent on trains as convenient and cheap travel inside the country...
It's not convenient at all if you don't travel between city centers, which are most trips. The car is almost always faster unless you have to be somewhere around the historic city center.

People look to much on the travel train between stations. You should calculate the travel time from door to door and the car is nearly always faster if you travel from door to door. I did a calculation of travel times a while ago (posted it here on SSC) about typical commuter trips to my city (which is a regional job center). Public Transportation was nearly 2 times slower on all trips. In other words, you can loose an half an hour in a traffic jam and still be faster.

The disadvantage of public transport is additional transport you need to reach your destination.

Policy-makers say: "hey check it out, the travel time is only x minutes between Eindhoven and Utrecht, I can't understand why people don't take the train!". What they don't realize or say is those are travel times between railway stations. Add up the extra time to get from and to the railway station and travel times doubles on Dutch distances (obviously not if you travel from LA to NY).
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Old October 26th, 2008, 02:36 PM   #618
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(obviously not if you travel from LA to NY).
For the average dutchman it's practicly the same as driving from Groningen to Maastricht.
We're so small-minded here...
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Old October 26th, 2008, 02:54 PM   #619
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here in Croatia we are allways exposed to pressures and opinions that in western Europe everybody enjoy taking the trains and public transport for everything and that car is only secondary solution
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Nah, maybe some large cities like London or Paris. In the Netherlands: Public Transit 9% / 91% other.
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