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Old December 23rd, 2009, 12:02 PM   #6841
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But it's not surprise people in socialist Europe don't understand meaning of personal freedom and own responsibility instead of state hugging and caring everyone even if he doesn't want to be.
So true... People want to be carried from the cradle to the grave by the government.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 03:57 PM   #6842
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If you crash in a car accident caused by you, and you're not wearing a seatbelt, i think that YOU should pay for the police, towing, ambulance, hospital and funeral. If your body flies through the air hurting someone, then i think you should pay their hospital bill (and eventual funeral) as well. People have different opinions on that case, end of story!
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 04:03 PM   #6843
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So true... People want to be carried from the cradle to the grave by the government.
I agree. Like being in the kindergarten for whole life. And the problem is nanny states are being more popular than ever.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 04:07 PM   #6844
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If you crash in a car accident caused by you, and you're not wearing a seatbelt, i think that YOU should pay for the police, towing, ambulance, hospital and funeral. If your body flies through the air hurting someone, then i think you should pay their hospital bill (and eventual funeral) as well. People have different opinions on that case, end of story!
Wearing or not wearing a seatbelt didn't cause an accident so your first argument is meaningless. Every accident is caused by some reason so why would you punish seatbelt, when you don't punish use of mobile phones, bad tyres, being tired behind the wheel, accident because GPS told them to drive wrongly etc.

Your second argument is rational and everyone supporting personal freedoms support it. If you take risks, you pay for it if something happen.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 04:14 PM   #6845
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Luckily, I drove over this rural road about a million times before, so I didn't choose ditch on left or right side.
Near my place we have a straight road that goes directly throu fields. But when there is a snow, road isn't invisible so it's always funny to see where people were driving. Two years ago some drivers drove like 200 meters parallel away from it.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 04:20 PM   #6846
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If the accident is caused by you, you should pay all that stuff. Not wearing a seatbelt could kill you.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 04:25 PM   #6847
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I like the banner.
Traffic delays: German invention
Traffic Jams: German one is better
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 04:49 PM   #6848
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I don't get it
Edit: I looked at the adds and I get it now.

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Old December 23rd, 2009, 05:35 PM   #6849
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I actually think the traffic delay is a dutch invention
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 05:38 PM   #6850
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Not really, the first recorded traffic jam dates from 1955.

New York City had traffic jams starting in the 1930's, mostly people who went to Jones Beach.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 05:41 PM   #6851
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Those dates seem a bit late for me, especially the first recorded Dutch traffic jam.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 05:44 PM   #6852
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Before that, no traffic jams have ever been recorded??
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 05:52 PM   #6853
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Not on motorways.

The Dutch traffic information isn't that good. They only record motorways with detection loops, and occasionally other roads. Especially before the 1970's, they were dependent on police information about the roads. That is also why the "official" traffic jam was only 670 km last Thursday, and 3.400 km by TomTom HD Traffic. They measure every main road, not just motorways with induction loops. And the snow from Thursday especially resulted in traffic jams on motorways without induction loops.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 06:48 PM   #6854
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Oh it's just for motorways, that makes more sense.
Edit: Look at the name of the latest forumer, "Doris ********"

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Old December 23rd, 2009, 11:17 PM   #6855
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Why some people think Europe is socialist?
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 11:23 PM   #6856
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Because it more or less is. The politics are not necessary socialistic, but the foundation of most countries has grown increasingly socialistic over the decades, which shows in significant government presence, a large public sector, significant government regulations, bureaucracy and high taxes.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 11:28 PM   #6857
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But what some americans don't see is that there's a huge difference between socialism and communism. Socialism and communism isn't necessarily the same.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 11:38 PM   #6858
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It is socialist compared to America. Also from what I see a common American misconception is that Socialism is the same as Communism, which is quite obviously not the case; the Portuguese Constiution (1976) has official references to socialism, but Portugal is certainly not communist.

Also Social Security at the level existent in Europe and almost certainly everywhere in Europe is a Welfare State shows that Europe is socialist really, just not communist. All Communists are Socialists, but saying the statement vice versa is incorrect

Edit:I just realized Daniel wrote what I said while I was typing.
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Old December 24th, 2009, 01:06 PM   #6859
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It's Christmas .

How and when do you guys celebrate it??

In Denmark, everything is done at dec 24.
Some people goes to church first.
Then we start eating
We dance around the christmas tree
And then unpack our presents.
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Old December 24th, 2009, 01:17 PM   #6860
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Tonight it's Christmas eve. Today is just a workday, in fact, I am at work right now.
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