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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:33 PM   #7061
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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #7062
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Road deaths in CZ:
1989: 1078
1994: 1637 (highest ever)
2008: 992
2009: 827

Sadly it's still quite a lot. But number of passenger cars increased by 83% and traffic by 107% between 1990 and 2008.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:45 PM   #7063
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Isn't this kind dangerous , This Dutch Railway crossing has snow covering the gates and parts of the lights
Why would that be dangerous? Both are still very good seen.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:48 PM   #7064
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1637?? Did a bomb explode on a motorway or something??
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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:57 PM   #7065
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It's probably because since the fall of communism, the Czechs finally got some good cars to drive in, which obviously resulted in more reckless driving. Now the police is much stricter in traffic violations, so the number of deaths dropped again.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 09:07 PM   #7066
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I think that several factors combined were to blame:
1. unprecedented growth of traffic - as I've already mentioned
2. new sense of freedom after 1989
3. traditional Czech disrespect towards authorities (since we've experienced ~40 years of self-governance since 17th century)
4. wider availability of cars that could actually go fast

here's a (lousy) graph: red = deaths, blue = passenger cars (the 1989 figure is wrong according to different source, I was using higher number from that statistic when I wrote about the growth)

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Old January 4th, 2010, 10:20 PM   #7067
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in HR we also have too many deaths in accidents. the number is constant (i have datum from 1998, it was between 614 and 701 deaths between 1998 and 2008.

Jan-Nov 2009: 506
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Old January 4th, 2010, 11:56 PM   #7068
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Yesterday driving across Denmark from German border to Copenhagen i've counted at least 8 cars abandoned at the hard shoulder of the motorway. Without any lightning nor reflectors. In the middle of the night. It is a great experience when you're driving tired after already doing 1100km and suddenly an unlit parked car appears 10m in front of you.

I mean, what the ****? Is this a common practice that if you had an accident in Denmark you just leave your car and walk (hitchhike?) home? Or is this some government programme for increasing the adrenaline level among the drivers?
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Old January 5th, 2010, 12:42 AM   #7069
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Why would that be dangerous? Both are still very good seen.
The gate is covered with snow, sometimes people get confused and drift onto the tracks.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 01:16 AM   #7070
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The red leds they use for railway barriers are quite bright (and I guess you could call it common sense to approach a railway crossing with caution, let alone in snowy conditions).

Anyway, this was the huge metropolis of Holysloot at 15:15 today. Luckily, it wasn't freezing, so road didn't become slippery.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 08:59 AM   #7071
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Yesterday driving across Denmark from German border to Copenhagen i've counted at least 8 cars abandoned at the hard shoulder of the motorway. Without any lightning nor reflectors. In the middle of the night. It is a great experience when you're driving tired after already doing 1100km and suddenly an unlit parked car appears 10m in front of you.

I mean, what the ****? Is this a common practice that if you had an accident in Denmark you just leave your car and walk (hitchhike?) home? Or is this some government programme for increasing the adrenaline level among the drivers?
They've done that to the west of London too, the BBC was showing loads of abandoned cars in Basingstoke,
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Old January 5th, 2010, 09:54 AM   #7072
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The gate is covered with snow, sometimes people get confused and drift onto the tracks.
Never heard about such a case. Railroad crossings at least on normal roads and crossing relatively normal railway are very well signed and if you don't see such gate covered with snow, then I think you shouldn't drive because of near blindness.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 12:13 PM   #7073
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355 road deaths in Sweden in 2009. Lowest number since WW2.

http://www.alltommotor.se/artiklar/n...inskar-1.19260
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Old January 5th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #7074
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Hi everybody!
Italy had 2521 deaths (-15%), 110476 accidents (-9,4%) and 80095 the injuried (-9%).
Deaths on motorways with "Safety Tutor" (2200 km): -51%!
Source: Italian State Police.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 04:01 PM   #7075
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Yesterday driving across Denmark from German border to Copenhagen i've counted at least 8 cars abandoned at the hard shoulder of the motorway. Without any lightning nor reflectors. In the middle of the night. It is a great experience when you're driving tired after already doing 1100km and suddenly an unlit parked car appears 10m in front of you.

I mean, what the ****? Is this a common practice that if you had an accident in Denmark you just leave your car and walk (hitchhike?) home? Or is this some government programme for increasing the adrenaline level among the drivers?
If you want Falck or Dansk Autohjælp to tow you, it can cost you over 100€ just to get towed + repairing expenses.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 05:51 PM   #7076
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If you want Falck or Dansk Autohjælp to tow you, it can cost you over 100€ just to get towed + repairing expenses.
... which is what, like 10h of work on minimum wage? Considering Danish purchasing power it's dirt cheap and only very stupid and careless people would save money on such a thing.

And how much for a ticket for leaving your car on the motorway?

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Old January 5th, 2010, 06:35 PM   #7077
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As there's very rarely police controls on motorways, most people doing this won't get no ticket.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 08:49 AM   #7078
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It is snowing here, quite heavily, and its going to continue all day.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 02:27 PM   #7079
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Road deaths in Slovakia:
2010 - should be under 305 to compete EU plans
2009 (until 20th Dec) - 335
2008 - 558
2007 - 627
2006 - 579

but it's really no problem to manipulate these statistics, you will just say victim of road accident is when he dies until 24 hours after accident and you can anytime lower this time, you can change it to 12 hours, to 3 hours and stastistics will be better

rather won't be posting accidents numbers, because these numbers are highly manipulated by police, only insurance companies have real numbers, by police number of accidents is lowering (because they are every year raising limit of financial claim when you must call police, actually it's 4000EUR and higher (year ago it was about 3000EUR) or when is anybody hurt (but even after this I was yesterday talking with client who had accident and somebody in his car (not wearing seat belt) crashed into front shield and he didn't call police/ambulance at all) or when both sides of accidents can't decide who is guilty side), by insurance companies is raising
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Old January 6th, 2010, 03:25 PM   #7080
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but it's really no problem to manipulate these statistics, you will just say victim of road accident is when he dies until 24 hours after accident and you can anytime lower this time, you can change it to 12 hours, to 3 hours and stastistics will be better
At least here death because of road accidents have usually quite a long time limit. That's why official statistics for 2009 will be given in February or March.

1970 - 620 deaths
1973 - 701
1979 - 735 (record year)
1983 - 527
1990 - 517
1995 - 415
2000 - 314
2003 - 242
2005 - 257
2006 - 262
2007 - 294
2008 - 214
2009 - 173 (preliminary number)

For this year plan is to have just 139 death and for year after even 15 less.

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