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Old June 24th, 2010, 09:22 AM   #8021
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This is beacause such intersections require more place (for exit ramps, as you have to reach level 3 and are more expesive.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 04:41 PM   #8022
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I did a little roadtripping this morning Clinching some Autobahns I haven't driven yet in the Ruhr area.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 05:45 PM   #8023
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Old June 26th, 2010, 05:48 PM   #8024
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I'll be touring some of those roads and areas in a few weeks time.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 06:20 PM   #8025
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A40 is highly interesting, one of the most urban motorways you find anywhere in Europe. Unfortunately, it's also frequently congested (probably the most congested Autobahn in Western Germany).
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Old June 27th, 2010, 08:39 AM   #8026
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If you think that your government doesn't care about you, try not to pay your taxes for a while...

this behavior leads to anarchy...

so "If you think that your government doesn't care about you", try to vote another party... or move to another country...
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Old June 27th, 2010, 09:24 AM   #8027
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Why is that Chris? and why are stack interchanges better?
because there is NO weaving...

weaving traffic between two neighbouring 270° ramps limits the corner traffic capacity to a very low level...

but this problem can be solved with 2 half-direct ramps (90° left turns) on 2 opposite corners... (instead of 270° right turns)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_(road)

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Old June 27th, 2010, 06:49 PM   #8028
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so "If you think that your government doesn't care about you", try to vote another party... or move to another country...
I have already voted with the 3 most importanta partyes is Romania. Useless. I will move to another country, shortly after I finish my studies
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Old June 28th, 2010, 05:00 AM   #8029
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Guys, I have a question. Perhaps the Dutch or those who are familiar with NL could answer.

I'm planning a day trip to Amsterdam and possibly The Hague and Rotterdam (if I'll have any time left). I will be coming with a car from Duesseldorf and as far as it's about driving in The Netherlands I'm more than confident it can't go wrong.

However I wonder how about parking in Amsterdam, Hague and Rotterdam? I reeeeeaaaaly don't want to spend too much cash because I've already spent loads on booking the car, hotel and flights so I want to keep the rest as tight as possible. Are there any free parking areas anywhere not far from city centers? Even if that means walking for 15 or 20 minutes (after all I want to see some "real" city as well). And it's most likely that it will be Saturday or Sunday if that makes it any better.

And I also would be thankful for any other tips and suggestions on what to know/do/see for one day.

I'd be thankful for any tips!
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Old June 28th, 2010, 09:14 AM   #8030
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I believe there are some possibilities for free parking in the north of Amsterdam, but I don't know the exact location. A short ferry brings you right into the center of the city. Another option would be to use one of those P+R facilities, you can park for like € 5 for a day and have a free public transport pass into the city.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 10:02 AM   #8031
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Those are good options. Just to add a few more possibilities:

AFAIK the parking area at Amsterdam Holendrecht station is free. From there you can take the metro into town. Unfortunately you now need an "OV-chipkaart" to travel with it. This system is comparable to the Oyster Card in London. You can also take the train from Amsterdam Holendrecht train station (twice an hour, €2,50 one way, €4,70 return ticket). Another option is to park the car at Abcoude train station. It is easily reachable from the A2 motorway (take exit 3, Abcoude), parking is free and you get to see something of the town where I grew up . The disadvantage is that there are only two trains per hour each way to and from Amsterdam Central Station (4/hour during rush hour), and that the ticket is slightly more expensive (€3,20 one way, €6,00 return). If you want to practise with the ticket machine of the Dutch Railways, you can click over here. In reality, the last column, which is empty in this demo, contains several payment options.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 10:08 AM   #8032
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Did you check with your hotel?

I stayed at a hotel in the city center and parked in the garage on Damrak for two days at a reduced price. Don't know if that's still possible.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 01:09 PM   #8033
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However I wonder how about parking in Amsterdam, Hague and Rotterdam? I reeeeeaaaaly don't want to spend too much cash because I've already spent loads on booking the car, hotel and flights so I want to keep the rest as tight as possible.
Okay, so some tips from penniless Polish student who had made such trip last October without paying single cent for parking

In Rotterdam the easiest way is to use a P+R parking at the outskirts of the city, they are free.
In Amsterdam I've parked here - those neighbourhoods are outside paid parking zone and there is a tram nearby (although I've walked all the way to the Dam square, but I'm just a freak :P)
- There is plenty of possibilities to park for free in The Hague, check out [url=http://www.ontwerpburo.nl/concept/parkeren/den_haag_parkeren.html[/url] this map. Be advised though, that in October the OV-chipcards didn't work in The Hague, but maybe they expanded the system already.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 01:41 PM   #8034
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Thanks alot guys. This gives me some idea.
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Be advised though, that in October the OV-chipcards didn't work in The Hague, but maybe they expanded the system already.
Check, it works now. I've used my OV-chipkaart in the tram in The Hague recently.
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So OV Chipkaart is a national and not just an Amsterdam thing?
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Old June 28th, 2010, 02:43 PM   #8037
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National, yes. Trains as well as local public transport (subway, trams, buses and ferries).
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Old June 28th, 2010, 02:51 PM   #8038
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I'm not very fond of cloverleaf interchanges, and my hometown of Roanoke has 3 full cloverleafs (Peters Creek Rd, Hershberger Rd, Orange Ave) and a modified one (Wonju Ave) ong its main freeway.
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Old June 29th, 2010, 10:42 AM   #8039
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Guys, I have a question. Perhaps the Dutch or those who are familiar with NL could answer.

I'm planning a day trip to Amsterdam and possibly The Hague and Rotterdam (if I'll have any time left). I will be coming with a car from Duesseldorf and as far as it's about driving in The Netherlands I'm more than confident it can't go wrong.

...

And I also would be thankful for any other tips and suggestions on what to know/do/see for one day.

I'd be thankful for any tips!
Heh I visited these three cities in the beginning of May with a friend. I can't help you with parking since we used the trains and trams.

Are you only spending one day in NL (that's what I understand from the 2nd last sentence of your post), or do you mean one day per city? I guess you can see a lot of Amsterdam in one day if you do A LOT of walking, though it would still be difficult I think. Also, in that case visiting the other cities would be impossible. We spent 3.5 days in NL, out of which 2.5 were in Amsterdam and 1 in Rotterdam and The Hague (the 0.5 is due to the fact that we arrived in Paris from Canada and took two trains to reach Amsterdam in late afternoon).

However, you can actually get some general overview of Rotterdam and The Hague in one day or even slightly less. If you have a separate day for those and you have a hotel in Amsterdam, you can just use the train to get there and back without using your car.

I know my advice is probably not very useful to you due to your lack of time (and our lack of car on the trip), but this is more or less the program I had planned for our trip:

Day 1: Not much here since we arrived quite late and were very tired. Walk around the hotel vicinity, and eat somewhere around De Pijp neighbourhood. Try some bitterballen for a snack :P

Day 2: Rotterdam/The Hague: Take the train from Amsterdam Centraal to Rotterdam Centraal. Takes about 1 hour, though we used the regional train which stops often and hence is slower. The high-speed Fyra train is faster. On the other hand, we got a return ticket to Rotterdam via The Hague for about 25 euro. In Rotterdam, take the Spido port cruise (thanks Chris for your suggestion ). I think in July you can do the bigger cruise which supposedly is more interesting. Then walk around a little route I designed from the port back to Rotterdam Centraal, passing through some interesting architecture. By about 4pm take the train from Rotterdam Centraal to Den Haag HS (something like 20 minutes). Then, tram to the Peace Palace (Vredespaleis). From this point, walk back to Den Haag HS, traversing the following 3 landmarks (and probably a few others we didn't take a special note of): Peace Palace, Royal Noordeinde Palace, and Binnenhof (Dutch parliament). I recommend the inner courtyard of the Binnenhof, which is quite nice. Then train back to Amsterdam Centraal.

Day 3: This was the main day in Amsterdam. Take the canal boat cruise. There are a few companies, and they all leave from around Amsterdam Centraal (though some have multiple stops). I believe we used the Blue Boat Company but there are a few more. I highly recommend it as an overview of the city. Then, walk around central Amsterdam. I made a few walking maps I can upload if you're interested, but I'm sure you can come up with your own route. It was something along the lines of: Rokin/Damrak, Dam Square, walk along/cross some of the main 5 canals, Westerkerk, Begijnhof, flower market, Museumplein, and Vondelpark (we didn't actually go into the park because of crappy weather). Then in the evening visit the Anne Frank House and finally when it gets dark, go to Rembrandtplein, which has a bunch of night clubs and cafes and looks quite cool with all of its glowing lights.

Day 4: Heineken Experience, another walk toward Museumplein (we planned to attend the Rijksmuseum but missed its opening hours). A walk along Leidsestraat is quite nice. Eat at a Chinese restaurant in the Nieuwmarkt area. Finally, an evening (though not very late) walk of the Red Light district, including some other interesting streets like Zeedijk and Oudezijds Voorburgwal. We took it easier this day so it wasn't loaded (and needed to catch a train to Berlin very early in the morning).

So this was our trip. Probably not very useful to you, but I think that you can combine some of the stuff from days 3 and 4 to get a general overview of Amsterdam in one day. I certainly recommend the canal cruise, which will give a good general overview in a limited time. As for Rotterdam/The Hague, our plan took basically the whole day, without a lot of stress (we left quite late, around 12:00, and returned to Amsterdam around 21:00, including a fairly big dinner in the middle).
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The Amsterdam canal cruise is very nice indeed, I did one in December once, but it was freaking cold.

Another idea would be to rent a bicycle in Amsterdam, you're much more mobile, can park anywhere you want and you're not dependent on parking garages or public transport. Frankly speaking, the bicycle outruns all urban public transport (buses, trams, subway) in the Netherlands. It's much more flexible. Make sure to lock it when you leave it unattended though.

Amsterdam has a cycling reputation, although bicycle use is somewhat below average, but the density of the city adds to a massive amount of cyclists. Don't be surprised to be surrounded by dozens of cyclists when waiting for a traffic light. Many intersections have separate cycle lanes and separate traffic lights of bicycles. Note that motorists are used to cyclists swarming all over the road, but pay some attention to trucks, as they don't have a very good overview.
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