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Old July 8th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #8081
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Old July 8th, 2010, 03:58 PM   #8082
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I was also thinking about that..

anyway, Slavic people really can`t understand that, it`s totaly different from any Slavic language..
By the way, it's "Slavs" not "slaves." "Slaves" means...something else ("esclaves" in French, for example.)
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Old July 8th, 2010, 04:24 PM   #8083
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Do you also have a problem with GoogleEarth? For a few day now I cannot browse it fluently.
I thought it was just me. No matter if I browse from home or at work, the satellite images are so slow and sluggish to load. And then I'd get squares that would load fine and others that would say "No closer zoom available" even if i zoomed out like 10 times.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 05:31 PM   #8084
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Old July 8th, 2010, 05:44 PM   #8085
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Old July 8th, 2010, 05:48 PM   #8086
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Old July 8th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #8087
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thats chinese stuff is crap. on amazon.fr is one for 19 € though. some cameras/camcorders even come with it out of the box.

lithuanians aren't slaves, right? so why are you pretty close? (correct me if I am wrong)
I've read reviews at DX and people weren't complaining about it.

I don't get that "slaves" note, so which of our nations are slaves?

they are pretty close nation, there is only poland between us and them, 550km by air


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I was also thinking about that..

anyway, Slavic people really can`t understand that, it`s totaly different from any Slavic language..
I thought they were slavic, but I was probably wrong. But by distance and postcommunistic culture they are still close nation.

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By the way, it's "Slavs" not "slaves." "Slaves" means...something else ("esclaves" in French, for example.)
so did I wrote it correctly that both of us nations are pretty close? or it was really hard to understand? sorry for my english then
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Old July 8th, 2010, 08:30 PM   #8088
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so did I wrote it correctly that both of us nations are pretty close? or it was really hard to understand? sorry for my english then
My "Slavs not slaves" thing should have been addressed (I think) to another poster. The English word "Slavs" covers peoples like Poles, Czechs, Russians.... "Slaves" are unpaid forced laborers like you found in the Roman Empire, or in the Southern U.S. before the Civil War. Someone wrote "slaves" when he or she meant "Slavs." That's all. :-)

As I linguist, I know that the Slavic language family is considered to include: Polish, Sorbian, Czech, Slovak, Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Belorussian, Ukrainian and Russian. Lithuanian and Latvian are not part of that group but fairly closely related to it. Someone actually from central or eastern Europe would know better than I do about to how easy one of those languages is to understand for speakers of another. (My ancestors all came to the U.S. from Poland, so I used to hear a little Polish as a child. Tried to learn it, but didn't get far....)
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Old July 8th, 2010, 08:45 PM   #8089
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As I linguist, I know that the Slavic language family is considered to include: Polish, Sorbian, Czech, Slovak, Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Belorussian, Ukrainian and Russian. Lithuanian and Latvian are not part of that group but fairly closely related to it. Someone actually from central or eastern Europe would know better than I do about to how easy one of those languages is to understand for speakers of another. (My ancestors all came to the U.S. from Poland, so I used to hear a little Polish as a child. Tried to learn it, but didn't get far....)
Very interesting. Thanks.

Since you're a linguist I'm curious: isn't the way Nexis used the word 'ethnic' in his original post perfectly acceptable (and standard?) usage in American English, even if Lithuanians and Slovaks were in the same language family?
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Old July 8th, 2010, 09:48 PM   #8090
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My "Slavs not slaves" thing should have been addressed (I think) to another poster. The English word "Slavs" covers peoples like Poles, Czechs, Russians.... "Slaves" are unpaid forced laborers like you found in the Roman Empire, or in the Southern U.S. before the Civil War. Someone wrote "slaves" when he or she meant "Slavs." That's all. :-)
that was me!
hehe, sorry Seem, everybody poited at you.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 11:04 PM   #8091
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Very interesting. Thanks.

Since you're a linguist I'm curious: isn't the way Nexis used the word 'ethnic' in his original post perfectly acceptable (and standard?) usage in American English, even if Lithuanians and Slovaks were in the same language family?
In the sense that Lithuanians and Slovaks are different "ethnic groups" or "ethnicities"? Yes. Perfectly normal. (But I don't want to set myself up as the language police here....)
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Old July 8th, 2010, 11:18 PM   #8092
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As I linguist, I know that the Slavic language family is considered to include: Polish, Sorbian, Czech, Slovak, Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Belorussian, Ukrainian and Russian. Lithuanian and Latvian are not part of that group but fairly closely related to it.
AFAIK there is an ongoing debate whether the Slavic and Baltic languages are related (i.e. descended from a ancient parent language). Nowadays they consist two separate language groups. They share some grammatical similarities (for example number and types of clauses), but there is absolutely no intelligibility between any Slavic and Baltic language.

An interesting thing about the word "Slavs": In various Slavic languages the term is Słowianie/Slované/Slaveni/Slovani/Славяне, and it comes from the word [i]slovo/słowo/слово, which means "a word" . So "the Slavs" can be understood as "those who understand words" or "those who speak our language".
In opposite, in several Slavic languages the word for "the Germans" is Niemcy/Němci/Nemci/Немцы, which comes from Niemy/немой/(ugh, I cannot find translation to other Slavic languages, but I assume it's the similar thing), meaning "a mute". So, the language clearly show that the past the main distinction between Germanic and Slavic people was the language - so the names of the proto-national groups are derived from "those who speak our language / Those who doesn't" issue.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 12:12 AM   #8093
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Why does it have to be upside-down?
It is much more stable that way. Legs fold around mirror holder so there is not enough place (not enough leg length) for having camera in right orientation. I tried to hold onto some parts of dashboard, but it is not stable in curves.

I use the cheapest model of Gorillapod for pocket cameras (I have Panasonic Lumix FT1/TS1, it records very nice HD movies, also under water), which costs around 18€ in camera shops here.

(sorry for late answer, currently I'm working 10-12 hours a day - finishing some big project - football in the evening, so there is not much time left for the net. Thank God, very long vacation starts for me in just 10 days )
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Old July 9th, 2010, 01:06 AM   #8094
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My "Slavs not slaves" thing should have been addressed (I think) to another poster. The English word "Slavs" covers peoples like Poles, Czechs, Russians.... "Slaves" are unpaid forced laborers like you found in the Roman Empire, or in the Southern U.S. before the Civil War. Someone wrote "slaves" when he or she meant "Slavs." That's all. :-)

As I linguist, I know that the Slavic language family is considered to include: Polish, Sorbian, Czech, Slovak, Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Belorussian, Ukrainian and Russian. Lithuanian and Latvian are not part of that group but fairly closely related to it. Someone actually from central or eastern Europe would know better than I do about to how easy one of those languages is to understand for speakers of another. (My ancestors all came to the U.S. from Poland, so I used to hear a little Polish as a child. Tried to learn it, but didn't get far....)
It's quite simple really. If you speak any Slavic language you will easily comprehend any other. I speak Russian and therefore I can understand a very reasonable amount of Bulgarian (I have some Bulgarian friends and start teasing them in "Bulgarian" even though I can't speak it ) or Slovak (I know someone from Slovakia as well). Speaking Lithuanian, on the other hand, won't help much in understanding any Slavic language just as those who speak any Slavic language will find Lithuanian (or Latvian) to be from another planet without even a slight chance of understanding anything.

However, since most (especially those over 30) Lithuanians and Latvians can speak Russian (in some cases also Polish) it may give an impression that they are Slavs since they speak Slavic languages and their own language also sounds a bit like Slavic language (albeit only to those who can't speak/understand any of the mentioned).
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Old July 9th, 2010, 02:05 AM   #8095
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Old July 9th, 2010, 02:11 AM   #8096
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In the sense that Lithuanians and Slovaks are different "ethnic groups" or "ethnicities"? Yes. Perfectly normal. (But I don't want to set myself up as the language police here....)
I mean't that , hmmmmmm different cultures.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 04:12 AM   #8098
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In opposite, in several Slavic languages the word for "the Germans" is Niemcy/Němci/Nemci/Немцы, which comes from Niemy/немой/(ugh, I cannot find translation to other Slavic languages, but I assume it's the similar thing), meaning "a mute". So, the language clearly show that the past the main distinction between Germanic and Slavic people was the language - so the names of the proto-national groups are derived from "those who speak our language / Those who doesn't" issue.
haha, that's so true! we call Germans "Nemci", the word "nem" in slovenian means "mute" or a "person who cannot speak". Old Slavs really had some sense of humor!
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(But I don't want to set myself up as the language police here....)
that's why I asked you if my post was understandable :-)

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An interesting thing about the word "Slavs": In various Slavic languages the term is Słowianie/Slované/Slaveni/Slovani/Славяне, and it comes from the word [i]slovo/słowo/слово, which means "a word" . So "the Slavs" can be understood as "those who understand words" or "those who speak our language".
In opposite, in several Slavic languages the word for "the Germans" is Niemcy/Němci/Nemci/Немцы, which comes from Niemy/немой/(ugh, I cannot find translation to other Slavic languages, but I assume it's the similar thing), meaning "a mute". So, the language clearly show that the past the main distinction between Germanic and Slavic people was the language - so the names of the proto-national groups are derived from "those who speak our language / Those who doesn't" issue.
interested observation, never realized that, in Slovak language are Slavs called Slovania ("slova" means "words"), Germans are called Nemci (plural for "mute" is "nemi")

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It's quite simple really. If you speak any Slavic language you will easily comprehend any other. I speak Russian and therefore I can understand a very reasonable amount of Bulgarian (I have some Bulgarian friends and start teasing them in "Bulgarian" even though I can't speak it ) or Slovak (I know someone from Slovakia as well). Speaking Lithuanian, on the other hand, won't help much in understanding any Slavic language just as those who speak any Slavic language will find Lithuanian (or Latvian) to be from another planet without even a slight chance of understanding anything.
I wouldn't say is that easy, I can understand only czech without problems because we were in same republic and I was/am daily reading/watching czech books/movies and it's similar language, never had this experience with polish so I can't understand much from it, yes it's enough for basic conversation when other side doesn't speak any foreign language we would probably understand each other but with difficulties and not easily. Although I have never learned dutch I can understand it on similar level than other slavic languages because it looks like big mixture between german and english (which both I've learned).
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that was me!
hehe, sorry Seem, everybody poited at you.
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interested observation, never realized that, in Slovak language are Slavs called Slovania ("slova" means "words"), Germans are called Nemci (plural for "mute" is "nemi")
"slová" is correct form

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I wouldn't say is that easy, I can understand only czech without problems because we were in same republic and I was/am daily reading/watching czech books/movies and it's similar language, never had this experience with polish so I can't understand much from it, yes it's enough for basic conversation when other side doesn't speak any foreign language we would probably understand each other but with difficulties and not easily. Although I have never learned dutch I can understand it on similar level than other slavic languages because it looks like big mixture between german and english (which both I've learned).
I have never been talking to someone who is from Slavic nation in another language as in Slovak.

I know, when you have to talk about some difficult topic it is better to use English or another international language. But, as you said, in basic conversation that wouldn`t be a problem. In my experience it is realy easy for Slovaks to have a conversation with Poles, Croats, Serbs (mostly same language as in Croatia), Czechs - grammar is very similar + we were in same republic for many years, I am watching Czech TV daily. Slovenian language was (is) influenced by Italian, so it is little bit harder to talk with they. But, when I am in this countries, I am always talking with people (in restaurants, streets etc.) in Slovak.

I mean, the most understandable language for us is (of course) Czech, Polish, Croatian + Serbian language.

if you have friends from that countries, or you go on vacation to this countries every year.. it should be pretty easy for you to understand everything..

So, cheers brothers!

I`d like to learn these languages more..
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