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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:23 PM   #8681
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How I was expecting.

So, it`s not so easy like between Slavic nations.

btw, I heard that Spanish and Italian are quite easy for each other. Is it true?
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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:31 PM   #8682
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If for a Romanian isn't very hard to speak Italian or Spanish, I believe that between them it's even easier.

How do you, slavs, handle with latin languages?
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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:36 PM   #8683
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Basicaly, we can`t understand anything. Just a few words..
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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:41 PM   #8684
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So it's just like I can't understand anything in Slovak. Niceeeeeee.
Final conclusion:
  • latin - latin
  • slavic - slavic
  • latin - slavic

One last question: what's the difference between Czech and Slovak languages?

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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:44 PM   #8685
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Speaking Portuguese I can:

-Understand most Spanish and read it fluently.
-Not understand Italian, but I can read it.
-Not understand Romanian, but I can read a bit of it

My knowledge of french is seperate, so I can't really say.


Portuguese and Spanish are mutually intelegible when written, but not entierly when written.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 11:12 PM   #8686
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Speaking Portuguese I can:

-Understand most Spanish and read it fluently.
-Not understand Italian, but I can read it.
-Not understand Romanian, but I can read a bit of it

My knowledge of french is seperate, so I can't really say.


Portuguese and Spanish are mutually intelegible when written, but not entierly when written.
Me, speaking Romanian I can:

-Understand most words in Italian when spoken and deduct the sense of the phrase; however, it's easier to understand it when written;
-Understand some Spanish but usually I have difficulties to catch the sense of the phrase.
-Not understand Portuguese, except for some disparate words;
-Not understand Romansh, except for some disparate words;
-Understand most words in the Romanian dialects spoken in the Balkans (Aromanian, Istro-Romanian, Megleno-Romanian); unfortunately these dialects are dying while countries like Greece don't even recognize they are spoken there.

With French, the same situation here, I made some classes of French in school.


@ seem: given Romania's location on the map, it is considered by linguists that almost 10% of Romanian words are of Slavic origin.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 11:19 PM   #8687
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So it's just like I can't understand anything in Slovak. Niceeeeeee.
Final conclusion:
  • latin - latin
  • slavic - slavic
  • latin - slavic

One last question: what's the difference between Czech and Slovak languages?

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Hard to say. These languages are very similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differe...zech_languages

We were living in one state for 68 years so we understand really everything, because for example when we are talking with Polish people we have to ask sometimes what does some word mean. Anyway, Cezch is much more closer (also declension). We also have films on TV in Cezch language.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 12:29 AM   #8688
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Speaking Portuguese I can:

-Understand most Spanish and read it fluently.
-Not understand Italian, but I can read it.
-Not understand Romanian, but I can read a bit of it

My knowledge of french is seperate, so I can't really say.


Portuguese and Spanish are mutually intelegible when written, but not entierly when written.
And me, speaking Spanish I can:

-Understand most Portuguese, Galician and Catalan (although I have learned the latter language by myself)
-Read Italian and Romanian (Although I haven't read Romanian never).
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 12:54 AM   #8689
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Speaker of Italian and Portuguese

- French: can understand a little spoken French, some (40-60%) written French
- Spanish: understand most of it
- Galician: understand it a lot
- Romanian: can read some, understand a little is speaker spokes slowly
- Romansh: just get a grip on written
- Catalan: sounds like Portuguese spoken by a person who don't know the language sometimes. Written is ok, lilke Spanish, though I used the ability to read more when I went to Andorra.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 01:38 AM   #8690
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Speaker of Romanian, I can:

- Understand almost all written Aromanian, most spoken Aromanian
- Understand most written Istroromanian, most spoken Istroromanian (Serbocroat loans)
- Understand most written Italian, some spoken Italian
- Understand some written Spanish, next to none spoken Spanish (probably the same with Sardinian)
- Understand some written Portuguese, spoken it sounds alien
- Understand almost all written French, most spoken French (I have studied it, though - otherwise, it would be like Portuguese)

nenea_hartia: Aromanian and Istroromanian are languages, not dialects. Aromanian for Romanian is like Dalmatian for Italian.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 03:33 AM   #8691
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We Romanians should have also asked for a Latin corridor, so that we are finally reunited with our Latin brethren in Italy after being separated by those pesky Slavs ! This corridor could pass through Istria and the Istroromanian villages there .
I have a friend from Romania, and he told me, that Romanian language is close to latins only because of latinisation of Romania in first centuries after JC by Roman empire, but origins of Romanians are much before that.

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20th century Europe fighting, this is what it went wrong.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 11:56 AM   #8692
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There used to be a Cyrillic alphabet for Romanian too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Cyrillic_alphabet

They included characters like: Ѻ, Ѹ, Ѹ Ȣ, Ѡ, Ѣ, Ꙗ, Ѥ, Ѧ, Ѫ, Ѯ, Ѱ, Ѳ, Ѵ, Џ (these may not show if you don't have the correct characterset installed)
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 03:10 PM   #8693
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^ Indeed, because first books ever written in Romanian were Bibles and religious books, and the old Slavonic was the writing of religion in the Orthodox East. In time, the Slavonic writing expanded from religion to the entire society.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 03:23 PM   #8694
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I have a friend from Romania, and he told me, that Romanian language is close to latins only because of latinisation of Romania in first centuries after JC by Roman empire, but origins of Romanians are much before that.
It's true to a degree, but if you look at it this way even French people can be considered Germans .
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 03:47 PM   #8695
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it is interesting how almost all Romanians claim they understand italian well. few weeks ago we had a delivery from Romania in my firm. of course, romanian truck came. at first i talked to him in italian because i expected him to understand me. but no way. english nor german also didn't work. i got back to italian (with few romanian words which i knew), but there was no way that he could understand indietro (i was telling him how to park the truck). there was no other way but to tell him that i want that part of truck here, and that part of truck there.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 03:58 PM   #8696
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If you told him "îndărăt" instead of "indietro", he would have got it . There's quite a difference in pronunciation, though.

I think it's easier for us to understand Italian than the other way around, although people do have to familiarize themselves with the language a bit first.

I think Slavic languages (maybe except Russian) are closer to each other that Latin ones. Slovak/Czech seem to be very similar to Slovenian and Serbian/Croatian.
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If you told him "îndărăt" instead of "indietro", he would have got it .
no shit!!!


btw, each Croat will tell you that czech or polish is more similar to russian than to croatian
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 05:03 PM   #8698
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In what NS trains did you find wi fi for free? I never ever encountered any free network in NS stations let alone trains which did not seem to be equiped with one. In the stations there were however T mobile hotspots... paid ones of course.

I traveled twice a week the line from Leeuwarden to Utrecht and back. Sometimes some other lines.


The intercity train from Rotterdam central to Leeuwarden.

Probably the train you took twice a week from Leeuwarden to Utrecht.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 09:07 PM   #8699
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btw, each Croat will tell you that czech or polish is more similar to russian than to croatian
Yeah, I think it`s just because of accent. It sound more strange for you. But anyway it`s really hard to talk with Russians than with you. When I am in Croatia I am always using just Slovak and it is really no problem to talk with you even if you know some Croatian words after these many summers in Croatia so no misunderstandings than. I knew some people in Croatian (I have not met these people after one camp was changed little bit so many people have gone to another) and it was really no problem to talk about anything during nice evening in Croatian seaside.

You know, of course there are problems sometimes to understand but it`s not hard when you want to talk so you ask for word what does it mean and learn from it.

Btw, probably for us (Slovaks) it`s the easiest to undestand Slavic languages, many linguistic people think so.
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The intercity train from Rotterdam central to Leeuwarden.

Probably the train you took twice a week from Leeuwarden to Utrecht.
I guess so too, therefore it is even bigger mystery for me, because mostly I worked on my laptop in the train, never detected anything besides the networks outside the train. I will see next week on wednesday. Was it the new refurbished unit? Probably also they dont put it in every train yet... I will see.
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