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Old November 7th, 2010, 02:43 AM   #8901
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I am, mostly by the total change of mentality. Earlier mass transit was perceived in North America as something low, occupied by poor folks who can't afford "better life", often dangerous.

Now the tone is different, and what is actually interesting is that the difference can be heard in both the specialist in video 1, as well as the journalist in video 2. Earlier it was often "ohmygod, they are taking the beloved highway from us!". So I do see a huge difference. I hope that folks in the street can be convinced too that mass transit may be an option. But I often hear that safety is an issue. Can this be addressed in a proper way?


Now quelques questions à you: 1) Is there actually a place in North America where one can live without a car, save for New York proper? San Francisco downtown, for example? 2) The model of medium-to-high density multiple-flat houses ("blocks"), placed not far from downtown, which are all fenced off, have their own "yards" where children can play, underground car parks for the inhabitants, and other amenities - can this be implemented in North America? (or has it been already?) This is not for everybody, but for young professionals, often without children, is a perfect thing. This provides population density good enough to make mass transit sensible/profitable, yet is not the typical Bronx/commie block area, with crime and anonymity.
The Economy changed the way many ppl look at Mass Transit , along with ppl getting fatter and fatter. The Northeast has slowly rebuilding our once huge system , DC has fast tracked that. There rebuilding a TRAM system and building a New Metro line which opens in 2013 and 2016. The Sprawly suburbs seem to be stopping in that region. Now the New Trend is to build inward in the Urban Cores. The population has also shifted into the Urban Cities most cities in my state grew by 3-14% this decade after losing 10-20% since the 70s. Also Congestion has gotten bad and people are tired of the endless huge freeways that many are starting to see as downing nothing. Theres also an Eco movement in the Northeast , Northwest and Midwest against Highways and they have killed alot over the years.

Ridership on many lines is pretty high here in the Northeast and Chicagoland its an Average of 20,000 daily users per line. Chicagoland and the Northeast with the exception of MARC and VRE have peak service on many lines of 10-20 mins and hourly service on weekends and offpeak. Reverse commuting has picked up in recent years as companies have shifted out of NYC to Urban Jersey and Western Jersey or CT to escape the higher taxes and commuting costs to there employees. That has caused peak services to be added to outbound trains.

There are some aging problems with the DC Metro ,but i think working up a plan for that , same with Boston and Urban Jersey. NYC has alot of issues with there system....too many too count that system has bad management. The Suburbs of the Bos-Wash Corridor are compacted so its easy for me to live without a car. There are 4 bus lines and a Railway in my town , so its really easy to get around. My town is also a walkable suburb like many in this region. Most College students do not own or use there car that much due to cost factors or restriction on campus. Some Colleges and University's ban cars for incoming Freshmans. Majority of Colleges across North America offer a bus service to make up for that.

Many states are redoing zoning laws and declared areas around stations , Transit zones. That causes Transit Orientated Development which is a form of dense Housing or Dense Housing / Retail space. Like for example a typical suburban block like mine can hold 8 houses , Re-zone that into TOD and you can hold an Apartment complex with up to 100 apartments and up to 10 shops on the lower level. At least 26 towns and 12 cities in my state are taking full advantage of that. Alot of the older stations and lines have the original TOD meaning the towns themselves are Dense like you find in Europe.

Many cities across the US are in the process of redoing there Urban Freeways , some like Providence and Boston are moving them to the outskirts or Underground. LA , Seattle and Portland are also doing some type of Freeway coverings , Parks are being built ontop or Buildings.... Providence is using there old I-195 ROW and Turning it into Dense Housing and Parks. About 3 billion $$ worth.

Many states across the Country have long terms highway / Transit plans. I will say only the Northeast has the best and most extensive plan. This decade alone this region will add at least 500 miles of restored and expanded Tram , Intercity , Subway , Bus Rapid Transit and Regional Rail. My state is planning at 300 miles of Subway / Tram lines by 2040 mostly connecting cities and bridging the gaps in the Railway. Its not your Tram systems or lines , its a bit different. My state i think is the only one who builds Trams in that fashion. The Tram with connect one Regional rail line , then go to high employment areas / Retail areas , a small city , college campus , a connecting to another rail line and then a main city through the core. Trams are built slowly here they cost 2-4x the cost of Regional or even intercity rail.

If your young with No children you have more cities to choose form. If you have Children your cities are limited due to lower quality in the Education dept. As i have been fusing together the Northeast 2040 Master Rail / Transit plan i have been researching towns and cities that are building up there cores and regions that have been slowly stopping sprawl. I'll just list the plans for each state i took form there DOT's and Transit agencies.

Virginia

Current system size : 90 mi
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 116
added Miles of Diesel Rail / Intercity Rail : 517


New Hampshire

Current system size : 20
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 150
added miles of Intercity Rail : 74


New Jersey

Current system size : 570 mi
added Miles of DMU Rail : 160
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 78
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 567
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 133


Lower Hudson Valley

Current system size : 156 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 185
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 78


Northeastern PA

Current system size : 0
added Miles of Diesel / Intercity Rail : 193


Southern Tier New York

Current system size : 0
added miles of Diesel : 59
added miles of Intercity Rail : 129


Upstate New York

Current system size : 460
added miles of Intercity Rail : 90


Long Island

Current system size : 700
added miles of Electrified Rail : 135


Southeastern PA

Current system size : 450
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 335
added Miles of DMU : 92
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 108


Amish Country

Current system size : 50
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 36
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 108
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 47

Connecticut

Current system size : 132
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 248
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 74
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 58


Massachusetts

Current system size : 368
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 270
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 102
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 342


Maine

Current system size : 40
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 200



Delaware

Current system size : 20 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 249
added miles of Electrified Rail : 37


Maryland

Current system size : 187 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 111
added miles of Electrified Rail : 32

Rhode Island

Current system size : 30
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 76
added miles of Diesel Rail : 49



Current JCT cities - Cities with 2 or more Regional Rail lines or 1 Regional Rail line and a connecting Rail Transit service


Newark
Philly
Rahway
Trenton
NYC
Boston
Springfield
Norristown
Lansdale
Baltimore
DC
Secaucus


Future JCT Cities

By 2020

Providence
Harrisburg
Allentown
Philpsburg
Beacon,NY
Richmond
Fredrick
Trenton
Wilmington
Camden
New Brunswick,NJ
Danbury
Worcester
Springfield
Paterson
Hackensack
Elizabeth,NJ
Norristown
King of Prussia
Bound Brook
Manville,NJ
Wayne
Lawrence,MA
Salem,MA
Attleboro,MA
Taunton,MA
Monmouth JCT
Norfolk
Hampton Roads

By 2030 - 2040

Dover
New London
Portland,ME
Manchester,NH
Reading
West Chester
White Plains
Tarrytown
Port Chester
Binghamton
Hartford
Waterbury
Newark,DE
Lynchburg
Roanoke
Albany
Rochester
Syracuse
Scranton
York
South Amboy
Perth Amboy
Staten Island
Hudson,NY
Suffern,NY
Lancaster
Fall River
New Bedford
Greenfield,MA
Concord,NH


Hehe that was a very long post , normally i reverse that for City Data , i rarely do that on this site though...
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Old November 7th, 2010, 05:25 AM   #8902
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What America has as its best is the facilities (logistical, operational and financial) to keep a car-centered lifestyle. Driving in Manhattan was, for me, a WAY easier experience than driving on Downtown Paris.

I truly hope most subsidized train projects there fail and that they keep their good job with nice highways, while looking at transit as something only the poor need.

In regard of house typology, the Americans are much more fond on either large multi-story buildings or stand-alone houses. We, in Europe, should learn from them. It usually pays off if you don't have a neighbor sharing your walls, you need to interact less with them in day-to-day routines of house maintenance.
LOL , yea right. Driving in Manhattan is huge and expensive pain. The Car culture is dying here , people are not getting licenses or aren't getting cars. Most cities are or have Car Sharing programs and there very popular. Although people have cars , there more like storage cars only used 1-2x a week. Biking is becoming popular in this region ,NYC and other cities like DC are creating huge Bike lane systems and bike trails. Since your not an American i don't think you know much about our culture , its a really confusing culture varies region form region. Transit is not for just the Poor , the Middle Class and some rich ppl use it in this region. Along with Politicians , Athletes and Celebrities. That kind of thinking is really dangerous and backwards in this country. I don't think you'll find alot people who share that same thinking , maybe in some Western parts of the US. But this recession has really changed people's uses and views on Mass Transit. I like European housing developments they look wayyyy nicer then what we build. How about you stop criticizing the way we do things in this country.....worry about your own country. When people start worrying and telling people how there country should look like or ran it causes issues. Here it causes Race wars or fights , there are alot in this region mainly between the Europeans.....
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Old November 7th, 2010, 06:14 AM   #8903
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LOL , yea right. Driving in Manhattan is huge and expensive pain. The Car culture is dying here , people are not getting licenses or aren't getting cars. Most cities are or have Car Sharing programs and there very popular. Although people have cars , there more like storage cars only used 1-2x a week. Biking is becoming popular in this region ,NYC and other cities like DC are creating huge Bike lane systems and bike trails. Since your not an American i don't think you know much about our culture , its a really confusing culture varies region form region. Transit is not for just the Poor , the Middle Class and some rich ppl use it in this region. Along with Politicians , Athletes and Celebrities. That kind of thinking is really dangerous and backwards in this country. I don't think you'll find alot people who share that same thinking , maybe in some Western parts of the US. But this recession has really changed people's uses and views on Mass Transit. I like European housing developments they look wayyyy nicer then what we build. How about you stop criticizing the way we do things in this country.....worry about your own country. When people start worrying and telling people how there country should look like or ran it causes issues. Here it causes Race wars or fights , there are alot in this region mainly between the Europeans.....
I just manifested a preference or an opinion. Americans elected the most fiscal conservative House of Representative since Reagan and that (not my humble, powerless and unwarranted opinion) will take care of killing mass transit projects all over US.

As for your other statements, apparently US Census Bureau, US Bureau of Economic Statistics and DOT/FHWA disagree with you.
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Old November 7th, 2010, 06:48 AM   #8904
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I just manifested a preference or an opinion. Americans elected the most fiscal conservative House of Representative since Reagan and that (not my humble, powerless and unwarranted opinion) will take care of killing mass transit projects all over US.

As for your other statements, apparently US Census Bureau, US Bureau of Economic Statistics and DOT/FHWA disagree with you.
Oh really , I do know alot of Conservatives. Most people don't like the Pork , thats why your seeing smaller Rail and Road projects going through while bigger ones get killed. I hate Pork projects , but those aren't really Transportation projects. Most Conservatives are for Rail and Transit that will serve higher density Regions , hench the Northeast. They can't kill all projects some are funded privately or by Tolls or the Gas tax. They usually kill things outside the Northeast , more then in. As for my other statements , Cities and Mass Transit are growing. The DC Metro Just broke the million daily ridership mark. Some cities grew by 20% this past decade and there not the sprawly cities. Most of the people moving back are Young , single or in College mostly middle Class. Most do not own cars , or rarely use them (Storage Cars) You keep forgetting my country subsidies Roads sometimes to the point that some states can't afford theres anymore. Unlike Railways ,roads never bring profits unless Tolled. Thats not to say Transit does either , although we a few clean outs of the Management Dept's im sure that would change and fast. Most of the Railway projects that were killed in Ohio and Wisconsin were very popular , some ppl say thats why Brown was elected in California and O'Malley and Patrick re-elected because there opponents thought there states should be run with your type of thinking and that turned off Middle Class and Urban Voters. The Gas Tax is so low in my state we are always asking the Feds to build our Railways and upgrade our highways , its pathetic.

Also why do you always attack rail ,and non suburb life? What is your problem with it?
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Why do you always come spamming these irrelevant transit projects here?
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There is quite interesting group on a Facebook - You know you're Slovak when ...

- When you are a fan of „Hokej“
- you have a cement mixer (Miesacka) incl. a bunch of chips (Kopa strku) in front of you house
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- a part of you family still owns some sheep, rabbits or a cow
- you have to decline 5 times before you are allowed to take a pice of the cake
- you are girl your big dream is to become „Topmodelka“
- you are driving a "Skoda"
- you cure your sore throat with a wet pack of Slivovic/Vodka
- you coulnd´t go asleep without "Vecernicek" (as small child)
- you are addicted to „Fidorka“, "Horalka" and "Tatranka"
- your Grandpa drinks beer like other people drink water
- on every family celebration the old folksongs were chanted
- your uncle plays the violin
- half of your cousinhood emigrated
- havn´t heard somebody talking about Politics beneficial
- your Dad is telephoning so loudly, that it seems that he doesn´t the phone
- your favourite ice is a „Nanuk“
- you hate Easter, as a girl
- you love Easter as a boy
- you correct teachers when they say Slovakia is located in Eastern Europe
- you need to repeat your name at least twice when introducing yourself
- you know that the tallest player in NHL has the same passport as you do
- you speak at least two languages that you never needed to learn (god bless the czech)
- you know that Hostel and Eurotrip do not reflect wtf Slovakia is about
- In your homeland, you do not run away from the cops...You chase them...Oh yeah and Absinth is not illegal over there
- drinking with Americans, you're always the one to finish the keg...cuz everybody around is already passed out
- you have at least once in your life drank the "Chucho" wine
- you take Kofola over Coke, Zlaty Bazant over Budlight, Slivovica over Captain Morgan, movie by Jakubisko over movie by Tarantino and Spisske Halusky over McDonald's
- You know that Janosik could kick Superman's ass even if he was on a damn wheelchair
- when you prefer “zalievanu kavu“ instead of filter coffee
- when you can sing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRxOcefjD54 by heart
- when you prefere „ciganske pecenky” insteady of a BicMac
- when everybody is asking you Czechoslovakia?
- when you black shoes your shoes with „Indulona“
- when you know that “bavorak” must not be necessarily a car
- you can say „Strč prst skrz krk”

- die slowakische Bescheidenheit bei dir aus allen Ecken quilt:
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- du deinen Gästen beim Abschied eine Tasche mit Geschenken und eine Tasche mit Proviant für den Weg nach Hause in die Hand drückst
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- deine Oma immer als erstes feststellt ob du (als Junge) auch ja zugenommen hast
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- Käse der nicht geflochten ist, für dich suspekt erscheint ;-)
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Old November 7th, 2010, 12:50 PM   #8907
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Thats not really spam , i was just asking what you think Europeans think of the Video and then i was answering the question. I gave a detailed response , which in my opinion isn't spam. If it was then you would have to consider other posts spam , since they really have nothing to do with roads or the Majority don't. Now i'll admit that post in the Canadian forum was out of line , but this wasn't. I also rarely come and post about Transit on the Highway forums.
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Not only if you know you're Slovak :
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Old November 7th, 2010, 04:01 PM   #8910
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Is it hard to pronouce hofburg? What's Slovenian for this?

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6/40!

Btw, when I was little I thought that Estonia is Slavic.
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Old November 7th, 2010, 04:19 PM   #8911
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Is it hard to pronouce hofburg?
Not at all. I don't know why hofburg can't pronounce it, I guess he's turning into a Frenchman.

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What does it mean in the first place?
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What does it mean in the first place?
Put finger through throat - silly and hard to pronounce even in english
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Not at all. I don't know why hofburg can't pronounce it, I guess he's turning into a Frenchman.


all that words or parts of them you can find in slovenian language as well.
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Then it's in Slovenian "porini prst skozi grlo".
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Then it's in Slovenian "porini prst skozi grlo".
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Yeah.
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There is even a wikipedia page about it:

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every language has these funny tongue-breaking words/sentences
one of the longest hungarian word: megszentségtelenithetetlenségeskedéseitekért
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one of the longest hungarian word: megszentségtelenithetetlenségeskedéseitekért
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How about "slechtstschrijvend"? (worst writer, not that uncommon word).

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