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Old February 2nd, 2011, 01:43 AM   #9521
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Note how the lack of shoulders, the large amount of raised median dividers and the number of non-functional curbs pose problems for emergency services.
There is a section in Romania, between Brasov and Sibiu, which was upgraded recently and looks very similarly to what is in the video: frequent median dividers for pedestrian safety, which on the other hand is a big safety issue for drivers.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 08:57 PM   #9522
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Nearly all major roads in the Netherlands have separate bicycling facilities. Even in areas where bicycle usage is low. It's not uncommon for a municipality to spend € 500.000 - 1.500.000 for a bicycle path for less than 100 cyclists per day.
LESS that 100 cyclists a day
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 09:03 PM   #9523
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Yes, approximately 1 cyclist every 15 minutes per direction on a main road is an unacceptable risk in Dutch terms.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 09:04 PM   #9524
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"Parking is expensive in my city.."- think twice

I was browsing through the prices for monthly fees for parking in Amsterdam. Within the Canal Belt and the Outer Belt, counting on street parking is difficult unless you live there. I knew there were many expensive garages, but I guess I found the most outrageously priced:

Beursplein 15
1012 JW Amsterdam

This location is near the Dam Square.

If you happen to stumble there and park your car for a little shopping, you gotta be fast:

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54 minuten of een gedeelte hiervan € 4,00
Maximaal dagtarief €50,00
So each 54 minutes will cost you €4, up to a maximum of € 50 per day. Downtown Manhattan is less costly than that!

But suppose you work there and want to park your car on a daily basis. This gets nasty:

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7x24 Ma t/m zondag, 24 uur per dag € 892,16
Kantoor Ma t/m vrijdag, 07.00 - 19.00 uur € 623,40
So if you want unlimited parking, you ought to pay € 892,16! That is right... Almost US$ 1,300 for a freaking parking spot that will not accommodate any car over 1,96m high! And you don't even get your marked spot, it is just a guarantee that you will have some vacant space there.

IF you don't need to park Saturday and Sunday or evenings, the pain lessens to € 623,40.


Street parking won't help: it will cost €4/hour, and it is almost but impossible to find a spot if you don't have a registration available for residents only. So you just dock at a garage where at least there will be a spot for the same price.

They need to improve parking in the Canal Belt. The problem is that, in the late 90's, Amsterdam municipality took 30% of street parking off as a policy to reduce traffic, and assigned most of what was left to residents only, driving prices for parking garages sky-high.

They are constructing a subway line nearby, they are building some extra dozens of hundreds of extra parking spots together with subway tunnel excavations. Yet, they would need thousands more space to bring some sanity to the parking shortage in the Canal Belt in Amsterdam.

(Lack of) parking is one of the reasons why the Canal Belt saw a flee of business other than tourism (hotels, restaurants, coffee-shops, souvenir shops) and retail. How can you expect to attract a decent educated middle-class white-collar past-college-age-and-habits workforce if parking will ate € 9.600/year?
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 09:13 PM   #9525
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Note that 55 minutes of parking will cost you € 8.

It's € 4 per 54 minutes or a part thereof. So 54 minutes = € 4, but 55 - 108 minutes = € 8.

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Enough said... The 90's was the era when road traffic had to be curbed at all cost.

Yet it was the decade with the strongest increase in traffic (in absolute numbers). Between 1985 and 2005 most motorway traffic counts doubled.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 09:51 PM   #9526
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Yes, approximately 1 cyclist every 15 minutes per direction on a main road is an unacceptable risk in Dutch terms.
This would be considered a busy cycling route in Estonia
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 09:52 PM   #9527
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Yes, but by building such facilities you encourage cycling and after a few years there will be probably 1000 cyclists per day.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 09:59 PM   #9528
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Yes, but by building such facilities you encourage cycling and after a few years there will be probably 1000 cyclists per day.
Not in Netherlands, where cycling is already "mainstream".
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 10:04 PM   #9529
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There will never be a 1000 cycliss/day on such rural bike lane, but look how narrow the road here is. If there is no hard shoulders, bike lane is a must in a civilized country, 'nuff said.

They use similar argument here in Poland - 'We won't build bike lanes because nobody commutes by bike, and we will not spend money on recreational stuff when there is so much do to right now'. Well, of course that hardly nobody commutes by bike in Warsaw, because it's suicidal. Build the damn lanes. Or enforce the 50km/h limit.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 10:07 PM   #9530
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The Dutch cycle potential is about maxed-out. Growth will only occur when there are spatial changes (like new neighborhoods). Bicycling is a good option, but the circumstances need to be very favorable, slight hills or a hot, very cold or humid climate will reduce cycling potential significantly. For example Heerlen is the Dutch town with the lowest cycling share, only 12% compared to 25 - 30% nationwide for urban settings.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 10:19 PM   #9531
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After you said Heerlen I googled it to see where it is and I found something interesting. At north-east of that town, in Germany just west of Geilenkirchen it's a military base that is blurred on google maps. I've never seen something like that on gmaps.

Another interesting picture from google maps is at the northern bridge in Istanbul. Have you see how crowded are the tax-gates?
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 11:20 PM   #9532
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There will never be a 1000 cycliss/day on such rural bike lane, but look how narrow the road here is. If there is no hard shoulders, bike lane is a must in a civilized country, 'nuff said.

They use similar argument here in Poland - 'We won't build bike lanes because nobody commutes by bike, and we will not spend money on recreational stuff when there is so much do to right now'. Well, of course that hardly nobody commutes by bike in Warsaw, because it's suicidal. Build the damn lanes. Or enforce the 50km/h limit.
Slovak councils say that they are important but they don't build them.

It is a bit out of date, at least Žilina might reach more than 20 km now -

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Old February 3rd, 2011, 12:05 AM   #9533
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The poor state of bike lanes in Warsaw:

http://www.warsawtour.pl/sites/defau...s/rowerowe.pdf
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This would be considered a busy cycling route in Estonia
And in most other places
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Old February 3rd, 2011, 12:11 AM   #9535
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The bicycle path in front of my apartment has 14,000 cyclists per day...
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The poor state of bike lanes in Warsaw:
http://www.warsawtour.pl/sites/defau...s/rowerowe.pdf
I love Polish word "rower" (bicycle).


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Old February 3rd, 2011, 12:23 AM   #9537
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The bicycle path in front of my apartment has 14,000 cyclists per day...
Crazy! That's nearly like a busy road in Slovakia!
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Old February 3rd, 2011, 02:03 AM   #9538
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It's probably a million in China.
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Old February 3rd, 2011, 02:59 AM   #9539
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After you said Heerlen I googled it to see where it is and I found something interesting. At north-east of that town, in Germany just west of Geilenkirchen it's a military base that is blurred on google maps. I've never seen something like that on gmaps.

Another interesting picture from google maps is at the northern bridge in Istanbul. Have you see how crowded are the tax-gates?
That military base is a main NATO base for E-3A AWACS (Airborne Warning And Control System)
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Old February 3rd, 2011, 10:52 AM   #9540
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Strange how they keep the siren on even when there's no traffic around. Here they only turn it on when there's traffic or they're approaching an intersection.
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