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Old March 12th, 2011, 10:34 AM   #9781
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It's also a common misconception to think that 1 public transport traveler = 1 less car on the road, or worse, 1% more public transport usage is 1% less traffic.
Sometimes it's true, but still, road widenings should be made only when there is (or can't be) really no cheaper and more efficient public alternative.

14100 pphpd on buses absoutely deserve their own lane.
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Old March 12th, 2011, 10:41 AM   #9782
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14100 pphpd on buses absoutely deserve their own lane.
I agree with that, but I wanted to point out the implications for road traffic.
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Old March 12th, 2011, 10:47 AM   #9783
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If this lane was opened to cars, buses would be slower, and some people using them might choose to travel by car instead, thus increasing congestion. Public transport services also profit car drivers.
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Old March 12th, 2011, 01:51 PM   #9784
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The numbers I quoted were persons per lane between 8am and 9am as measured by the Road Traffic Authority of New South Wales in 2004. These are not theoretical limits but observed realities. I'll admit this time of day is most advantageous to public transport.

Just to be clear, they are bi-directional counts, with the bus lane being city-bound (south bound). There is no north bound bus lane. The bridge is a toll road for south bound traffic (only), it uses reversible tidal lanes and the bus lane is not active 24 hours. It doesn't operate at full highway speed (just 80km/h) and one of the lanes is detached from the rest due to the structure of the bridge.

It also operates non-cash tolls only with time-of-day rates (between $2 and $4) but I don't believe either of these were in effect at the time of the study.

I wouldn't go far as to say that PT and car use can be substituted on a 1:1 basis, it's far more complicated than that, but morning peak would surely be the closest to this. IMO there are feedback loops in play: a car orientated city generates car orientated suburbs. A PT orientated city generated PT orientated suburbs. The effect of a bus lane in Sydney and a bus lane in LA would be entirely different.

Chris, despite all this, with your suggested figure of 2,200 vehicles per hour at 1.3 persons per vehicle, the bus lane is performing the work of just under five traffic lanes.

I would love to know how many people the two rail tracks over the bridge carry in the same period. These occupy two potential traffic lanes.
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Old March 12th, 2011, 03:10 PM   #9785
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A single track used by suburban trains packed with people also standing can carry 40.000 people per hour, considering a train carrying only or mainly seated passengers this fall to 15.000-20.000.

20 trains per hour (one every 3 minutes) * 1.500 people per train = 30.000, but the number of trains can sometimes be higher at 24 tph and capacity of each train be around 2.000, but that's near the limit.
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Old March 12th, 2011, 03:16 PM   #9786
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One thing to keep in mind: urban motorways operate near capacity nearly the entire day. Usually the off-peak hourly volumes are only 20% lower than the busiest peak hour. This is different, most railways do not operate at peak capacity for 3 or 4 hours in a row twice a day. The peak is high, but shorter than on the road.

I once did a bus passenger count for work at the Zwolle railway station. Approximately 90% of all passengers between 6.00 and 10.00 were in the 7.30 - 9.00 timeframe. The buses after 9 am were almost completely empty.

Here's a visualization of the hourly volumes on a fixed link in the Netherlands (A16 in Rotterdam)
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Old March 12th, 2011, 06:38 PM   #9787
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Jaguar XJ parked in front of my house, mmm.

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Old March 12th, 2011, 06:42 PM   #9788
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Old March 12th, 2011, 07:41 PM   #9789
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Ok, here it is:

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Old March 12th, 2011, 08:03 PM   #9790
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that's the most perfect car imo right now at the market. i have it at all desktop backgrounds at all pc's which i use. unfortunately, i will probably nvere buy one
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Old March 12th, 2011, 08:10 PM   #9791
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Nice new car, Verso. Enjoy it and drive carefully!
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Old March 12th, 2011, 08:22 PM   #9792
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Thanks, I'll just change the license plates. (although it wouldn't be necessary)
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Old March 12th, 2011, 08:27 PM   #9793
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Few days ago I saw on the street the brand new CLS:





It looked much better in reality than in the pictures. I was like this:
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neah, don't troll with Mercedes. in few months it will not be that rare.
but XJ, khm, that's the car to stare at while you see it.
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nice car, verso. did you ordered it with built-in hd camera in the front for taking road photos?
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Old March 13th, 2011, 12:39 AM   #9796
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neah, don't troll with Mercedes. in few months it will not be that rare.
but XJ, khm, that's the car to stare at while you see it.
Don't troll with XJ, London will be full of them tommorow.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 12:50 AM   #9797
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Jaguar XJ (X351) has been produced since 2009. If London isn't full of it yet, I doubt it ever will.

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neah, don't troll with Mercedes. in few months it will not be that rare.
but XJ, khm, that's the car to stare at while you see it.
So when can we expect your nick to be changed to 'XJ-Type'?

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nice car, verso. did you ordered it with built-in hd camera in the front for taking road photos?
Yeah, that's why I bought the car. Just don't expect photos of dirt roads.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 01:07 AM   #9798
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Jaguar XJ (X351) has been produced since 2009. If London isn't full of it yet, I doubt it ever will.
Actually now I have realised that London is full of them, I just thought it is some new one because you posted a picture of it.

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So when can we expect your nick to be changed to 'XJ-Type'?
Why is your nick x-type btw?
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Why is your nick x-type btw?
Maybe he owns one...
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don't take too seriously my postr about Mercedes, I was just joking of course CLS is also impressive car, but i find XJ one level higher at the scale of impressivness

my nick? no, i don't own Jag. if i'd take a nick after my car, i'd be Punto i am neither too impressed with Jaguar X-type. it has excellent exterior, some ok engines, great suspension with 4WD, but nothing made me too impressed with that car. except its name which i find perfect. generally that idea with Jag's names something-type is great imo. too bad they've left it.
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