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Old January 8th, 2012, 06:25 PM   #12161
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The German Wetterzentrale site still uses 1980's maps for their weather maps...
Precisely: Between the reunification of Germany (October 1990) and the independence of Slovenia (June 1991).
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Old January 8th, 2012, 06:49 PM   #12162
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It happened at an official ceremony that they mistook SK with SLO and played the wrong anthemn.
And I remember a school professor putting Oslo in Finland, and someone else Barcelona in Portugal. And though that Messi was Italian and Beckam German.
Messi's great-great-grandfather was italian, from Recanati (very near my hometown, and home to one of the greatest Italian poets, Giacomo Leopardi), so by Italian laws he is Italian too.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 07:51 PM   #12163
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Not automatically, but basically any person with an ancestor who lived in what is today Italy and died after 1861 (unification of Italy) can ask easily for Italian citizenship, regardless where he lives, what language he speaks and the number of Italian ancestor he has.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 08:40 PM   #12164
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Not automatically, but basically any person with an ancestor who lived in what is today Italy and died after 1861 (unification of Italy) can ask easily for Italian citizenship, regardless where he lives, what language he speaks and the number of Italian ancestor he has.
Yes, not automatically, but basically it's so easy that it's practically automatic.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 09:24 PM   #12165
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hm, than I should ask for that hehe (without any knowledge of I language) my grand father, although Slovenian, has dual I and SLO citizenship, as he was born and lived in Gorizia and Trieste.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 10:09 PM   #12166
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Not automatically, but basically any person with an ancestor who lived in what is today Italy and died after 1861 (unification of Italy) can ask easily for Italian citizenship, regardless where he lives, what language he speaks and the number of Italian ancestor he has.
Automatically. It is birthright citizenship. It is not even a case of option for citizenship. Essentially, as the laws on Italian citizenship stand today, all people descending from Italians that were alive in 1861 are also Italians and, essentially, they only have to fill administrative papers to prove that, if their ancestor haven't done that in time.

There are some caveats like limitation for male ancestors only up to First World War (not sure entirely) and something about the status of Italians that acquired citizenship when Italy formally annexed to the Kingdom areas that were under Austrian-Hungarian occupation like Trentino, parts of Friuli etc. that were only liberated after the Austrians were defeated in WW-1 in 1918.

This causes (or at least caused in Milano until 2009 lol) some stir among immigrant communities because even children of legal immigrants born in Italy can only be naturalized with their parents when they complete 10 years of permanent living in Italy, and they are still "only" naturalized citizens which theoretically bars them from certain functions like high judicial court judgeship, certain functions (commissioned officers?) in the military etc.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 10:12 PM   #12167
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hm, than I should ask for that hehe (without any knowledge of I language) my grand father, although Slovenian, has dual I and SLO citizenship, as he was born and lived in Gorizia and Trieste.
I though most people in Nova Gorica have a basic knowledge of Italian and they study it at school as second language.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 10:30 PM   #12168
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The German Wetterzentrale site still uses 1980's maps for their weather maps...
There are many worse cases. For example Slovenia still does not exist even in latest in Autodesk products. Sierra Leone does though, but I doubt that whole country has as many licenses bought as my, not very big, company alone.

And when traveling outside Europe, Schengen treaty is as useless as last year snow - if we talk about visas.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #12169
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I though most people in Nova Gorica have a basic knowledge of Italian and they study it at school as second language.
well they do, I can understand pretty much, but I cannot speak. Italian is an option as a third language in gymnasium in Nova Gorica.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #12170
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Old January 9th, 2012, 03:03 AM   #12171
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Most probably Czechoslovakia wasn't the only mistake, but he also meant Slovenia by saying Slovakia
I'm not sure about that. I don't know which Italian companies have moved their production to Slovenia.

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Precisely: Between the reunification of Germany (October 1990) and the independence of Slovenia (June 1991).
Lithuania declared independence already before the German reunification (in March 1990).


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Old January 9th, 2012, 03:06 AM   #12172
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I'm not sure about that. I don't know which Italian companies have moved their production to Slovenia.
It was the other way around with Pipistrel.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 09:46 AM   #12173
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I'm not sure about that. I don't know which Italian companies have moved their production to Slovenia.
You are probably right, I supposed this, because it is quite common mistake (SLK/SLN).
But I assume that Slovenia is (and has been for many years) too developed and the wages are too high compared to most of the other ex-socialist central and eastern European countries, so it makes no much sense to move production there...

Another even more common mistake is between Latvia and Lithuania.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 09:57 AM   #12174
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This causes (or at least caused in Milano until 2009 lol) some stir among immigrant communities because even children of legal immigrants born in Italy can only be naturalized with their parents when they complete 10 years of permanent living in Italy, and they are still "only" naturalized citizens which theoretically bars them from certain functions like high judicial court judgeship, certain functions (commissioned officers?) in the military etc.
It's not like that. Italy-born children of legal immigrants can apply for Italian citizenship when they turn 18, and they have only 6 months (or a year, can't remember) to apply, otherwise they will stay with their homeland citizenship.

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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:57 AM   #12175
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Lithuania declared independence already before the German reunification (in March 1990).
Right but it was not recognized by anyone until August '91.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #12176
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It's not like that. Italy-born children of legal immigrants can apply for Italian citizenship when they turn 18, and they have only 6 months (or a year, can't remember) to apply, otherwise they will stay with their homeland citizenship.
Yes, but that happens if they don't complete 10 years of permanence in Italy before, and their parents are not naturalized. If foreign parents of children born in Italy: (a) live there continuously; and (b) naturalize themselves before the children reaches age 18 - then the children can be naturalized together with the parents.

This also applies to cases in which the children were not born in Italy, but came legally to the country with their parents.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 01:51 PM   #12177
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Old January 9th, 2012, 05:23 PM   #12178
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This dont real have something to do with the Theme of this Thread but i didnt find a better one.This is a Picture of my Shirt with some Fantasy Signs,you can try to rate where there could be

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Old January 9th, 2012, 05:29 PM   #12179
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I don't think that the romanian signs exist for real. They don't show the directions quite right...

Anyway, I would sugest Chris to move this to the roadside rest area...
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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:27 PM   #12180
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Off topic, but while I'm on a tear (:-P), what do our Dutch friends think of this? http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/3184/...-van-ons.dhtml
And where does any non-native speaker get off (in the comments) saying that "American" is not "real English"?
There is a small group of linguistics who oppose any English used in situations aimed at Dutch / international public. Sometimes they exaggerate using English terms, though I do not have a problem with it at long as it is in context, such as international airports or discussions related to English-language subjects. A while back there was an "uproar" about the fact English is the first language at Schiphol Airport, and not Dutch.

As far as American English for me, I always felt it is more natural than British English, which seems to me as a forced way to speak, it sounds snobbish. Many Dutch may use the British English spelling, but their pronunciation is closer to American English. Of course I'm talking about regular American English and not Southern / hillbilly American English.
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