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Old April 19th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #13301
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Just details. The connection is shiny as Struma's crash barriers.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 10:36 AM   #13302
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Why do I have a feeling that you should be doing something else instead of posting nonsense?
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Old April 19th, 2012, 11:00 AM   #13303
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Actually I don't for I haven't been in this forum then yet. But even since I'm a forum member here, it was recalled so often that I know very well what it is about :-))
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Old April 19th, 2012, 02:33 PM   #13304
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Few Urban legends I can see above... In fact Struma motorway is less than 19 km till today, although more 34 new are under construction lately. And the already opened section even is not a real motorway, because they made it on the trace of the old national road illegally without the permits and proper project documents, with too sharp curves and too steep climbs or descents... So it remained with speed limit 90 km/h.

Bogdymol, are these beautiful and incredible yellow ornaments on the building gas pipes or cables?
For some reason, I don't think that any of us are going to be surprised by this
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Old April 19th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #13305
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Actually I don't for I haven't been in this forum then yet. But even since I'm a forum member here, it was recalled so often that I know very well what it is about :-))
Me too
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Old April 20th, 2012, 12:14 AM   #13306
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Old April 20th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #13307
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Old April 20th, 2012, 08:45 AM   #13308
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Old April 20th, 2012, 10:19 AM   #13309
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This article on Italian "Il Corriere della Sera" is written by two Italian students who recently had the chance to visit North Korea. It is not strictly road-related, except when they describe a "12-lane carriageway" (probably 2x6, making confusion between road and carriageway) "on the motorway between Pyongyang and Nampo, with no cars at all but our own bus".
http://www.corriere.it/esteri/12_apr...d52d16a5.shtml

They also describe military checkpoints on the road and "3 thousand people on the carriageway, their sole purpose is to sweep the road for our passage, using brushes made by intertwined tree leaves" O__O
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Old April 20th, 2012, 10:29 AM   #13310
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Pyongyang - Nampo highway only has a single carriageway, although a really wide one. (It's "only" 10 lanes, though).

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Old April 20th, 2012, 10:36 AM   #13311
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A Romanian guy also went to North Koreea few years ago and he published pics and info. on his blog. Unfortunatelly this is only in Romanian: imperatortravel.ro. He will go again there in September and if you want to join just read the first article

Also, 2 guys went from Vienna to Pyongyang by train. They are the only known tourists in the world that have done this. Usually access in NoKo is just by air for foreign tourists. Here is their blog (in English): The forbidden railway: Vienna - Pyongyang 윈 - 모스크바 - 두만강 - 평양

And a nice clip showing Ceaușescu's visit to North Korea back in the '80s



PS: yes, I've read a lot about this country because it's similar to what there was in Romania before 1989.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 11:22 AM   #13312
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Old April 20th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #13313
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PS: yes, I've read a lot about this country because it's similar to what there was in Romania before 1989.
Was it? I mean, I don't think Romania reached those levels even back in its darkest days. Or did it?
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Old April 20th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #13314
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Was it? I mean, I don't think Romania reached those levels even back in its darkest days. Or did it?
I was just a few months old when Ceausescu regime collapsed, so I don't remember anything from those times, but from what I've heard it wasn't that bad like in NoKo, but it was similar. Many things that I see now in NoKo were told to me by my parents.

I would like to visit NoKo one day, but the cost for going there for a few days is € 3000+, and that's quite expensive (at least for me).
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Old April 20th, 2012, 11:59 AM   #13315
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I was 10 in 1989 so I remember what TV told me about it. I remember my teacher tried to explain us students what was happening in the Eastern Bloc, and I realized many years later that what our teacher told us was completely wrong.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 01:47 PM   #13316
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I was just a few months old when Ceausescu regime collapsed, so I don't remember anything from those times, but from what I've heard it wasn't that bad like in NoKo, but it was similar. Many things that I see now in NoKo were told to me by my parents.

I would like to visit NoKo one day, but the cost for going there for a few days is € 3000+, and that's quite expensive (at least for me).
I think the cheapest options start at around 1500? That is from Beijing.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #13317
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I think the cheapest options start at around 1500? That is from Beijing.
Yeah, but I also have to consider the trip from Romania to Beijing (it ain't for free) and at least one night stay in Beijing (requiered untill you get your NoKo visa).
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Old April 20th, 2012, 03:25 PM   #13318
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I was 10 in 1989 so I remember what TV told me about it. I remember my teacher tried to explain us students what was happening in the Eastern Bloc, and I realized many years later that what our teacher told us was completely wrong.
What did she say to you? That everybody in the east was happy and had everything he wanted?

BTW, you can see many pics of NK highways (wide, few traffic) in the NK thread. Albania was like NK, other communist countries a bit better.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #13319
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What did she say to you? That everybody in the east was happy and had everything he wanted?
No no, she was anti-communist. Well, let's say she was anti-authoritarian.

She told us about the reasons behind the end of communism. Well into my 20s, I still believed that communism ended because of vast mass riots and revolutions come from the people, while in fact it was quite the opposite. Gorbachëv and his "Sinatra doctrine" were more than decisive in what happened next. Of course people had a great part in overthrowing the regime, especially in Romania where Ceausescu was one of the most ferocious, but without the Sinatra doctrine things were going to remain the same for many decades more.
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There were many causes leading to the collapse of communism in different countries.
Soviet Union had a very bad economical crisis in late 80s and the new president Gorbaciov was against totalitarism.
In Poland the Catholic church had a strong role after John Paul II became pope in 1978. The civil disobedience movement Solidarnost, ruled by Lech Walesa was supported by most people and by the church.
In Yugoslavia after the death of Tito ethnic rivalries started to appear and inflation began.
In all those countries people realized that in thr west we were more free and wealth, so they protested.
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