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Old May 6th, 2012, 06:08 PM   #13541
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Old May 6th, 2012, 06:16 PM   #13542
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what I noticed is that they keep driving on the middle lane (on 2x3 motorway) even if on the right lane there are no vehicles at all.
Germans do, yes. The French are better disciplined, major cities excepted
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Old May 6th, 2012, 10:14 PM   #13543
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what I noticed is that they keep driving on the middle lane (on 2x3 motorway) even if on the right lane there are no vehicles at all.
Right lane is "shame lane"... Italians know this too well
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Old May 6th, 2012, 10:19 PM   #13544
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Right lane is "shame lane"... Italians know this too well
I saw this too, and got frustrated by some idiots, who I had to overtake on the 3rd lane, they were driving 110-120kmh on the middle lane with no traffic in sight. I think some people are just lazy to change lanes when it means overtaking trucks and don't care about others.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #13545
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I resorted to overtaking on the right. Since I drive on the right lane all the time, it doesn't make sense to swerve all the way from 1st to 3rd lane and back again.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 10:29 PM   #13546
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I pass such idiots on the right too. No reason to add unnecessary turbulence to traffic.

Unfortunately in many countries the fine for passing on the right is higher than the fine for left-lane hogging.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 10:30 PM   #13547
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I do that as well...
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Old May 6th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #13548
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Unfortunately in many countries the fine for passing on the right is higher than the fine for left-lane hogging.
According to internal regulations of Italian Polizia Stradale, "passing on the right" is not sanctioned. "Overtaking on the right", however, still is - and it opens a world of discussion between the driver and the policeman about the difference
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Old May 6th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #13549
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If I'm on the right lane (usually with cruise control) and if someone drives slower on the left lane, I don't bother with him and stay on my lane, passing him on the right without changing lane. Thankfully until now I didn't have any "opportunity" to discuss this with a policeman.

Although few times I overtook on the right some Bulgarian or Romanian vans which were traveling on left lane with their 70 or 80 km/h on otherwise pretty empty motorway. My patience has limits too.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #13550
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My patience goes through the roof if I`m on an empty 2x4 lanes M25 in the middle of the night, with me in lane 1 doing 130 km/h and asswipe from the planet Zobb doing 80 in lane 3.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #13551
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i don't pass on the right. maybe 1 of 20 times. i turn into left lane and if the bastard doesn't move, i blink him. however, i haven't noticed such hard lane undiscipline in Italy nor in Germany. ok, there were isolated cases, but just the exceptions. or there was right lane full of trucks, so it was excused.

on the other hand, i am mad when i see the truck which doesn't obey overtaking ban. i am mad of them. sorry to mention, but i have noticed Turkish trucks doing it over others.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 12:12 AM   #13552
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i don't pass on the right. maybe 1 of 20 times. i turn into left lane and if the bastard doesn't move, i blink him. however, i haven't noticed such hard lane undiscipline in Italy nor in Germany. ok, there were isolated cases, but just the exceptions. or there was right lane full of trucks, so it was excused.

on the other hand, i am mad when i see the truck which doesn't obey overtaking ban. i am mad of them. sorry to mention, but i have noticed Turkish trucks doing it over others.
Irish trucks are the worst for that. Their trucks usually do not have the 90 km limiter on them, and their bosses give them "overtaking money" which means that if they get cought overtaking in Germany despite a ban, they will pay the fine with that money.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 12:56 AM   #13553
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If I am on the right lane, I continue driving and pass on the right, but there is also the risk that the idiot suddenly thinks changing lanes right, and either doesn't check his mirror, or you are in his dead angle (which is larger than on the left).

But it happens also that I am on the 2nd lane because I was overtaking other drivers, and then encounter some slow idiot also on the 2nd lane, then I pass on the 3rd.

I encountered both situations on A9 last week, but traffic volume was low.

Blinking could also be used, but I read in Germany there are big fines for that, no matter if for intimidating a driver which drives according to law or remind an idiot like above to move aside.

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Old May 7th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #13554
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The most frightening episode occurring me while driving on a motorway was last summer. It was on the A4/A23 junction in Italy. I was driving from Trieste towards Venice. In the interchange area the speed is reduced and overtaking is forbidden. Two Swiss campers overtook me and cut the road in front of me, so I had to brake a lot and I almost had an accident.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 02:51 AM   #13555
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Yes...

Tell that to the Ministry of Finance here in Norway and their untouchable $517 billion oil fund of which 4% of the revenue may be used. But wait! Did they loan some millions to Germany? Was it with interests of about 1-2%? Yes it was. And did the Germans build roads with that money? Yes they did. But here in Norway? No way. Loans for road building? 6% interests, or GTFO.

Also, don't forget the toll stations, just to make sure that you got the memo about you getting screwed for just thinking about driving a car in this country.



Oh, I forgot to mention that roads in this country are a joke compared to other western european roads. And also a joke, compared to the expected level of quality they would have, had we just followed the standards that the authorities set themselves.
so what Norway does with oil income?
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If I am on the right lane, I continue driving and pass on the right, but there is also the risk that the idiot suddenly thinks changing lanes right, and either doesn't check his mirror, or you are in his dead angle (which is larger than on the left).

But it happens also that I am on the 2nd lane because I was overtaking other drivers, and then encounter some slow idiot also on the 2nd lane, then I pass on the 3rd.

I encountered both situations on A9 last week, but traffic volume was low.

Blinking could also be used, but I read in Germany there are big fines for that, no matter if for intimidating a driver which drives according to law or remind an idiot like above to move aside.
Apparently it´s illegal in Germany to stick your middle finger up.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 09:15 AM   #13557
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Still there are people that do it, even at video surveilance areas. Two weeks ago I was in Heidelberg for few days, and when the minivan dropped us at Frankfurt Airport there were not enough lots to stop normally... so the driver decided to stop in the middle for a couple of seconds just to take out our luggage. There were drivers who started beeping and one of them, after the minivan moved a bit, passing by waved his hand with middle finger pointing out to our driver, just in front of the cameras and policemen...
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Old May 7th, 2012, 09:37 AM   #13558
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Apparently it´s illegal in Germany to stick your middle finger up.
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Answer: The middle finger is reinforced.
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i don't pass on the right. maybe 1 of 20 times. i turn into left lane and if the bastard doesn't move, i blink him. however, i haven't noticed such hard lane undiscipline in Italy nor in Germany. ok, there were isolated cases, but just the exceptions. or there was right lane full of trucks, so it was excused.
Maybe you never drove in Italy during truck ban on Sundays. Right lane is empty. How to turn a 2x3 motorway into 2x2
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Maybe you never drove in Italy during truck ban on Sundays. Right lane is empty. How to turn a 2x3 motorway into 2x2
2x3 motorways become 2x2 also when trucks can circulate because the right lane is overcrowded by them and only 2 lanes remain to light traffic.
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