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Old May 20th, 2012, 09:19 PM   #13761
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Old May 20th, 2012, 09:43 PM   #13762
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Aren't animals usually more aware of an earthquake than humans? AFAIK your dogs should have woke up before everyone else...
Why's that? This is some urban myth, provenly not true.
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Old May 20th, 2012, 11:05 PM   #13763
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In fact they woke up only because my grandma was going around the house screaming in fear
Poor dogs, woken up at 4 in the morning by the screams of an old lady (and poor me, too, since I had to calm her down).
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Old May 20th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #13764
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Is it common in Italy for elderly to live with their children? Because it is highly uncommon in the Netherlands. Most elderly either live alone with household assistance or live in a nursing home.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 01:48 AM   #13765
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Damn, Latvian roads suck.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 03:12 AM   #13766
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Is it common in Italy for elderly to live with their children? Because it is highly uncommon in the Netherlands. Most elderly either live alone with household assistance or live in a nursing home.
isn't Italy well known by that? big house built by grand parents, ground floor grown up children, 1st floor parents, 2nd floor grand parents?

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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:13 AM   #13767
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Is it common in Italy for elderly to live with their children? Because it is highly uncommon in the Netherlands. Most elderly either live alone with household assistance or live in a nursing home.
It's very common, I'd say. Household assistance is fairly unknown in Italy, and nursing homes are ugly places. The idea is "my parents nursed me and cared for me for years, when I was a child. Why shouldn't I do the same for them in their time of need?"
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:16 AM   #13768
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isn't Italy well known by that? big house built by grand parents, ground floor grown up children, 1st floor parents, 2nd floor grand parents?

BTW my neighbours recently built two new houses for they two sons (married with children) next to their.
So they have three houses with a shared backyard
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:20 AM   #13769
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It's very common, I'd say. Household assistance is fairly unknown in Italy, and nursing homes are ugly places. The idea is "my parents nursed me and cared for me for years, when I was a child. Why shouldn't I do the same for them in their time of need?"
The same thing in Romania.
Compared to Germany as I have seen, or The Netherlands like Chris said, children have a much stronger bound with their parents, and also brothers/sisters and other relatives.
And to leave your parents not caring for them is considered something awfull.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:27 AM   #13770
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It's very common, I'd say. Household assistance is fairly unknown in Italy, and nursing homes are ugly places. The idea is "my parents nursed me and cared for me for years, when I was a child. Why shouldn't I do the same for them in their time of need?"
Well, I wouldn't say that household assistance and nursing homes are very uncommon. They're often the only choises for those who live and work far away from their elderly parents or have a busy job. And in modern time, with the increasing social mobility, more and more people tend to move for job reason. Many Eastern Europe women work in Italy as home assistants.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:51 AM   #13771
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Well, I wouldn't say that household assistance and nursing homes are very uncommon. They're often the only choises for those who live and work far away from their elderly parents or have a busy job. And in modern time, with the increasing social mobility, more and more people tend to move for job reason. Many Eastern Europe women work in Italy as home assistants.
I was thinking about "State-paid household assistance", which is basically non-existent, but you're right, I didn't think of Eastern European assistants.

About nursing homes, they're not uncommon but for the love of God they're lagers 90% of the time.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 10:19 AM   #13772
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About nursing homes, they're not uncommon but for the love of God they're lagers 90% of the time.
There was a huge scandal some 5 years ago near I live, with few nurses and paramedics arrested for having done everything for years, including giving psychiatric medications with no medical autorization, keeping elderly dirty with unchanged diapers and stealing their gold jewelry.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 04:21 PM   #13773
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It's very common, I'd say. Household assistance is fairly unknown in Italy, and nursing homes are ugly places. The idea is "my parents nursed me and cared for me for years, when I was a child. Why shouldn't I do the same for them in their time of need?"
Many people live with they grand parrents also here, and they always take care of the children when parrents are at work. Or if they don't live with them, grand parrents take children for the weekend, or after school. My grandmother used to stay at our house for the weekend even when she lived 15 mins away. I think it is so nice that here family tends to be more together, which is I think completly different in the UK, Germany etc.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 06:27 PM   #13774
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Damn, Latvian roads suck.
What?

Btw, guess what did I pass today? Looks like they finally put the place for sale.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 08:25 PM   #13775
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:26 PM   #13776
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Many people live with they grand parrents also here, and they always take care of the children when parrents are at work. Or if they don't live with them, grand parrents take children for the weekend, or after school. My grandmother used to stay at our house for the weekend even when she lived 15 mins away. I think it is so nice that here family tends to be more together, which is I think completly different in the UK, Germany etc.
What is so nice about it? It´s nice to see each other once in a while, but to be in somebody´s throat all the time. Parents are there to raise you, until you are old enough to stand on your own two feet. And then you start your own family, and you will see each other at birthday´s and Christmas etc etc. Because remember: they will always be your parents, and they will tell you to brush your teeth even when you´re old.

It´s very Italian and Eastern-European to never let go, this is true. I believe it´s a catholic thing.
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What is so nice about it? It´s nice to see each other once in a while, but to be in somebody´s throat all the time. Parents are there to raise you, until you are old enough to stand on your own two feet. And then you start your own family, and you will see each other at birthday´s and Christmas etc etc. Because remember: they will always be your parents, and they will tell you to brush your teeth even when you´re old.

It´s very Italian and Eastern-European to never let go, this is true. I believe it´s a catholic thing.
It's a good thing to have good relationship within family members but everybody deserves his/her indipendence. If my parents live less than one hour driving from me it's right we see each other once a week. But if I want to move to New Zealand and return back every two years I should feel free to do it with no obstacles from my family if I'm more than 18 and earn my own money. It's very anachronistic pretend to have your sons living forever near you, in this globalized world where everybody has his study or work career ambition.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:38 PM   #13778
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:44 PM   #13779
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It's a good thing to have good relationship within family members but everybody deserves his/her indipendence. If my parents live less than one hour driving from me it's right we see each other once a week. But if I want to move to New Zealand and return back every two years I should feel free to do it with no obstacles from my family if I'm more than 18 and earn my own money. It's very anachronistic pretend to have your sons living forever near you, in this globalized world where everybody has his study or work career ambition.
You understand what I am saying!
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:54 PM   #13780
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What is so nice about it? It´s nice to see each other once in a while, but to be in somebody´s throat all the time. Parents are there to raise you, until you are old enough to stand on your own two feet. And then you start your own family, and you will see each other at birthday´s and Christmas etc etc. Because remember: they will always be your parents, and they will tell you to brush your teeth even when you´re old.

It´s very Italian and Eastern-European to never let go, this is true. I believe it´s a catholic thing.
I wouldn't want to live with my parents in the same house for the rest of my life, what I mean is that we often visit each other, grandparents take care of children and we also help them with everything. You know what was the reaction of my friend in the UK? "Why should grandparents take care of grandchildren? It is not their job..", she works long hours and pays some girl from EE to stay with children after school. They used to see their grandparents rarely even when they lived in the same town, but then they moved to Scotland. Of course this isn't same in all English families, but here we really do stay more in touch. Well I guess it is also because people in England tend to move a lot around the country (or find cheap property elsewhere in the world ) so that might be another reason.
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