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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:16 PM   #13841
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I heart today electric cars have a capacity of 150 km, at least japanese electric cars such as toyota or mitsubishi.
Batteries works really bad in a cold environment.

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About lithium, it's not really the biggest issue. We're good with lithium for another 100 years or so, as far as I know.
True, but a very large part of today's world extraction (I believe over 50%) happens in one small region in Bolivia. Should anything strange happen there...
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:19 PM   #13842
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because it saves ressources and keeps the environment more clean. When you don#t have the money you should not buy it, but when you do you should or otherwise use public transport. That is my opnion. Public transport functions on fuel aswell, when you look at buses, but you would leave your car at home and save ressources and protect the environment. I think protecting the environment is underrated and it is very important.
What resources do I save if I drive a Prius instead of a Clio? The mpg is the same. More, the Prius also needs those those polluting batteries, but the Clio doesn't...
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:20 PM   #13843
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The batteries wil improve in futre and you would change one batterie in 3 years or more, so that is not an issue really. so your clio charges the same ammount of fuel as the prius? how came? And not all people drive a clio, people prefer a BMW 7 or Mercedes S class, the ******* German developers don't do anything on the issue. Even Austria is doing more on the issue, but Germany is a country where people wnat to have "style", not caring about environment. Especially the older people.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:23 PM   #13844
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After a quick search on the internet I found out that a Prius needs 4.70 L/100 km, while a 1.5 diesel engine Clio needs 4.30 L/100 km, while it's half the price of a Prius...
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:27 PM   #13845
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Well the Prius is an exceptional car still, my fathers Fiat coupe charges 10 l for 100 km, so 4,7 is great. If you can tell me more cars that charge only 4 liters in hundret km, especially bigger cars, then you may say the Prius is bad.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:29 PM   #13846
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You can't compare a Prius with bigger cars. You have to compare it to its equivalents.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:31 PM   #13847
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Many auto producers have efficient cars, or at least an efficient version of it. You can check this ones:

BMW 320d Efficient Dynamics
Skoda Octavia/Fabia Greenline
Renault Clio/Megane (some engines)
Ford Fiesta/Focus
VW Polo/Golf/Passat (eco versions)
Opel Corsa/Astra
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:33 PM   #13848
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But japanese companies also offer hybrid on bigger cars, while european manufractures do not offer that. Except French companies.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:36 PM   #13849
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Yeah, Lexus has a hybrid version (LS600), but I don't see the point of it. It's an extremely big car with an extremely big petrol engine that wants a lot of fuel, and with a little electric engine just to say that it's hybrid. The fuel consumption is not small on this car.

As I said before... Electric cars are the future! Just that the future isn't here yet...
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 07:34 PM   #13850
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I think they could devise some systems to transfer energy via some sort of electrical supply under/over/via induction on the highways itself.

Think of it: theoretically, it shouldn't be THAT difficult to fit controlled-access roads with some 380V wiring from which hybrid cars fitted with some automobile version of train pantographs could draw energy from. Surely it would be a bit unsightly to see 4m-high pantographs on cars, and they would weight a bit, but I think the idea is not totally out-of-this-World, especially if coupled with a live spider-net like energized "cover" instead of single wires.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 10:02 PM   #13851
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Yesterday I had the opportunity to drive an Opel Ampera (European version of Chevrolet Volt), a hybrid where the petrol engine is used only to recharge the batteries, the car is always moved by the electric engine. It can also be charged from the electric network. When fully charged, the car can drive about 80 km in fully electric mode, without turning the petrol engine on. With the petrol engine, the range is about 500 km, with a consumption around 6 l/100 km.

Driving it was not really different than a normal car with automatic gearbox, I actually liked it. It is totally silent and the acceleration is great thanks to the electric engine.

It seems that this technology is an opportunity for daily commuters, who can charge the car at home, and maybe at their workplace, but not for longer (100+ km) journeys. The price is very high at the moment, but with the spread of the technology it might decrease.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 10:05 PM   #13852
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Electric cars currently have ranges where you usually already would refuel if you drove on petrol. 80 km left means less than 1/8th fuel remaining in most cars. If you think about how much is cost to charge an electric car than can drive 80 km (about € 4 - 5), it's not really cheaper than diesel fuel...
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 10:41 PM   #13853
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Stop talking about useless electric cars! Here's the real future

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...0101/205230371

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Fiat announces alliance with Mazda

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Fiat SpA — the parent company of Chrysler Group LLC — today announced a new alliance with Mazda Motor Corp.

The two companies signed a non-binding memorandum of understanding to jointly develop and manufacture two new rear-wheel-drive roadsters based on Mazda’s next-generation MX-5 platform: a new Miata and an as yet unnamed Alfa Romeo. The cars will be produced at Mazda’s factory in Hiroshima, beginning in 2015.

Japan’s fifth-largest automaker has struggled since Ford Motor Co. sold most of its stake in the company during the recent recession, and industry insiders say it is desperately needs a new partner if it is to survive.

“Establishing technology and product development alliances is one of Mazda’s corporate objectives, and this announcement with Fiat is an important first step in that direction,” said Mazda Chairman and CEO Takashi Yamanouchi in a statement Wednesday. “It is especially exciting to be collaborating with such a prestigious marque as Alfa Romeo.”

The two companies said they are also discussing further “opportunities for collaboration in Europe.”

Fiat, which took over a bankrupt Chrysler in 2009 as part of a bailout agreement brokered by the Obama administration, says it needs a third leg to its stool in order to be a real player in the global auto business.

“Asia is the weakest part of our stool,” Fiat-Chrysler Chairman and CEO Sergio Marchionne told reporters during a recent press conference.

“By partnering with Mazda, we will be cooperating with the recognized leader in compact rear-drive vehicle architectures in order to deliver an exciting and stylish roadster in the Alfa Romeo tradition,” Marchionne said in a statement Wednesday. “We are appreciative of this collaboration with Mazda and look forward to maintaining a fruitful and continuous relationship.”

Shares in Mazda jumped Wednesday after news of the possible tie-up with Fiat was first reported Japanese broadcaster NHK.

Mazda has lost money for four straight years. Because it builds most of its cars in Japan and exports most of them, it has been hurt by the strong yen.

A final agreement between Fiat and Mazda is expected to be signed in the second half of the year.

Marchionne, who says he needs to sell 600,000 vehicles annually to be a true global contender, paid nothing for Chrysler and has said he was not particularly interested in purchasing a third partner outright.

NHK reported that the alliance with Mazda was unlikely to involve an exchange of funds.

F*ck me, what a hell of a car will it be! Alfa's fun & engines (and style) and Mazda's lightness & quality.
Now I know what car I'll be driving in some years

Seriously, this is one of the best news of the last decades for petrolheads...
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 11:19 PM   #13854
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 11:24 PM   #13855
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Electric cars currently have ranges where you usually already would refuel if you drove on petrol. 80 km left means less than 1/8th fuel remaining in most cars. If you think about how much is cost to charge an electric car than can drive 80 km (about € 4 - 5), it's not really cheaper than diesel fuel...
The ranges is at least 80 km but usually it is 150 km, on the Mitsubishi for example. Don't mind the Opel Ampera. You should like the idea of having a car with alternative energy since it is about time and it is not good to vaporize fuel, that will never return.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 08:32 AM   #13856
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The ranges is at least 80 km but usually it is 150 km, on the Mitsubishi for example. Don't mind the Opel Ampera. You should like the idea of having a car with alternative energy since it is about time and it is not good to vaporize fuel, that will never return.

How about this?



Place a turbine propeller on top this way as the car travels the wind makes electricity keeping the batteries loaded. Problem solved. You can make fuel while you use fuel.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 08:36 AM   #13857
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"Perpetum mobile" doesn't exist. There's no way to create the same amount of energy, that you need to spend to move around.

In other news, there was another about 4.3 by Richter scale aftershock at 00:59 strongly felt in Sofia...
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Old May 24th, 2012, 10:05 AM   #13858
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The ranges is at least 80 km but usually it is 150 km, on the Mitsubishi for example. Don't mind the Opel Ampera. You should like the idea of having a car with alternative energy since it is about time and it is not good to vaporize fuel, that will never return.
It is useless (and a bit hypocritical) to buy an electric car to prevent pollution, while 80% of that electricity is still produced by fossil fuels. It is just moving the problem from one spot to another.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 10:23 AM   #13859
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Good news for Sweden !

1st. Tomorrow it's going to be +27 C here. A record temperature for May

2nd Chinese brand Great Wall is soon going to be marketed here, by Renault, Dacia dealers. Dacia is now on the 97th place for most sold brand in Sweden.

When chinese cars enter the market. It's going to be tough competition for the other non premium brands. French, italian brands, some japanese ones are going to loose shares of the auto market. People want cheaper cars !! I read about the new Dacia Lodgy seems to be an interesting family van with a decent price tag.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 10:28 AM   #13860
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It is useless (and a bit hypocritical) to buy an electric car to prevent pollution, while 80% of that electricity is still produced by fossil fuels. It is just moving the problem from one spot to another.
I wouldn't agree. The pollution can be moved away from the large concentrations of people and quite effective pollutant filters can be installed on site of the single large source. There are issues though, like the lower efficiency of the whole energy chain.
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