daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:29 PM   #14341
geor
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Osijek-Croatia
Posts: 657
Likes (Received): 16

Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
Why did the image change? It was different seconds ago...
I made mistake. It was from last year(2011).

If you want, here they are:


Uploaded with ImageShack.us
geor no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:37 PM   #14342
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,500
Likes (Received): 2111

Funny thing is that in 2011 they tested only rest areas in Northern Italy, while in 2012 only those in Central Italy...
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:41 PM   #14343
bogdymol
bogdymod
 
bogdymol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 11,182

You know what's weird? I would have expected to have excelent service areas on motorways from Spain, Italy or France (where you pay directly for driving there), but I see that the service areas from Austria, Switzerland, Slovenia or even Germany are much better graded despite the fact that driving there is for free (or with a vignette which is not dependant of the number of km you are driving).
__________________
Lived, Been, Drove in: A B BG BiH CH CZ D DK E F FIN FL GBZ GR H HR I IRL L M MNE P PL RO RSM S SK SLO SRB UK V
+ Australia, Hong Kong, Macau, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, United Arab Emirates & United States of America
my clinched highways
My wife has just started a travel blog. Check it out here: makeitcount.blog
bogdymol no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:42 PM   #14344
geor
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Osijek-Croatia
Posts: 657
Likes (Received): 16

According to these tests Croatia has very nice rest area service, in front of many EU members.................
geor no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:46 PM   #14345
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,500
Likes (Received): 2111

Quote:
Originally Posted by bogdymol View Post
You know what's weird? I would have expected to have excelent service areas on motorways from Spain, Italy or France (where you pay directly for driving there), but I see that the service areas from Austria, Switzerland, Slovenia or even Germany are much better graded despite the fact that driving there is for free (or with a vignette which is not dependant of the number of km you are driving).
I don't think paying for motorways has something to do with rest areas. Areas are managed independently from motorways, and they don't get tolls.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:48 PM   #14346
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,603
Likes (Received): 19391

Italian rest areas are apparently well-equipped, but lack decent parking. I think most truckers can confirm that. Rest areas are loaded at night. I have no complaints about French rest areas, apart from them being on expensive toll roads. The Dutch rest areas are generally too expensive and sanitary facilities are usually mediocre at best.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:49 PM   #14347
Penn's Woods
Deadpan Snarker
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,243
Likes (Received): 779

Really? I got the impression that service areas on toll roads in France are run by the toll-road operator.

But I'd think how long a service area has been open (or when it was last renovated) would be at least as important as who runs it, unless the operator of an older one is putting a lot of money into upkeep.

EDIT: That's a response to G.Spinoza, not Chris.
Penn's Woods no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:52 PM   #14348
bogdymol
bogdymod
 
bogdymol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 11,182

I also knew that on tolled road the company that administrates the road also has to make sure that the rest areas are allright (maybe except rest areas where a major gas station is located).

Anyway, I consider rest areas in Austria a little bit inferior. I've seen much better in Hungary for example.
__________________
Lived, Been, Drove in: A B BG BiH CH CZ D DK E F FIN FL GBZ GR H HR I IRL L M MNE P PL RO RSM S SK SLO SRB UK V
+ Australia, Hong Kong, Macau, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, United Arab Emirates & United States of America
my clinched highways
My wife has just started a travel blog. Check it out here: makeitcount.blog
bogdymol no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 07:01 PM   #14349
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
Italian rest areas are apparently well-equipped, but lack decent parking.
My main complaint about them is that they are concrete jungles.
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 07:15 PM   #14350
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,500
Likes (Received): 2111

Quote:
Originally Posted by Penn's Woods View Post
Really? I got the impression that service areas on toll roads in France are run by the toll-road operator.

But I'd think how long a service area has been open (or when it was last renovated) would be at least as important as who runs it, unless the operator of an older one is putting a lot of money into upkeep.

EDIT: That's a response to G.Spinoza, not Chris.
I really don't know whether rest areas are managed by motorways, restaurant/shop companies (Autogrill), fuel companies (Tamoil, Esso ecc), or a combination of the three. It would be nice if someone here knows how it works.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 07:21 PM   #14351
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

In France the site itself is maintained by the toll operators, but petrol stations and restaurants have their own responsibilities.
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 07:22 PM   #14352
keber
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 9,878
Likes (Received): 1364

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verso View Post
My main complaint about them is that they are concrete jungles.
And that they have gas station AFTER rest area. Maybe acceptable for Italians, but not for others. I want to have rest after I fill up tank and not before.
keber no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 07:26 PM   #14353
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber
And that they have gas station AFTER rest area. Maybe acceptable for Italians, but not for others. I want to have rest after I fill up tank and not before.
Yes, they have that in England as well. Very annoying
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 07:27 PM   #14354
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,500
Likes (Received): 2111

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber View Post
And that they have gas station AFTER rest area. Maybe acceptable for Italians, but not for others. I want to have rest after I fill up tank and not before.
What if you want to rest before filling up, say, because you have urgently to go to the bathroom, and later want to fill up? Are you going to drive in reverse?

No, no, gas station must be after rest area, there's no sense in putting them before.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 07:41 PM   #14355
geor
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Osijek-Croatia
Posts: 657
Likes (Received): 16

Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
I really don't know whether rest areas are managed by motorways, restaurant/shop companies (Autogrill), fuel companies (Tamoil, Esso ecc), or a combination of the three. It would be nice if someone here knows how it works.

MW companies usually give to petrol companies the right to build the rest area facilities. The relevant petrol company can manage all the services or give the right to the other specialists like Marche chain to manage restaurants, cafe bar and shops…….
geor no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 07:44 PM   #14356
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

There are toilets inside petrol stations normally. And I want to hit the road after eating, not fill up.
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 08:02 PM   #14357
Penn's Woods
Deadpan Snarker
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,243
Likes (Received): 779

Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
What if you want to rest before filling up, say, because you have urgently to go to the bathroom, and later want to fill up? Are you going to drive in reverse?

No, no, gas station must be after rest area, there's no sense in putting them before.
They can be put together, surely....

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.0...04136&t=h&z=18

Darker building at the bottom's a food court, shop(s?) and such; lighter group of buildings is a gas station (with its own large convenience store). You can pull in to the main lot, go into the main building and do what you need to do, then hit the gas station on the way out. But I don't think there's anything to stop you going to the gas station and then over to the main lot. (And you can certainly park in the gas station's own parking spots and walk over.)

Last edited by Penn's Woods; June 22nd, 2012 at 08:15 PM.
Penn's Woods no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 08:03 PM   #14358
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,500
Likes (Received): 2111

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber View Post
And that they have gas station AFTER rest area. Maybe acceptable for Italians, but not for others. I want to have rest after I fill up tank and not before.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Road_UK View Post
There are toilets inside petrol stations normally. And I want to hit the road after eating, not fill up.
Please state a valid reason why gas stations should be before the rest area, other than "I prefer this way".
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 08:16 PM   #14359
geor
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Osijek-Croatia
Posts: 657
Likes (Received): 16

Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
Please state a valid reason why gas stations should be before the rest area, other than "I prefer this way".
This video can explain..........
http://www.slobodnovrijeme.com/news.php?readmore=337
geor no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2012, 08:19 PM   #14360
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,500
Likes (Received): 2111

You can rest as much as you want, but stupidity remains.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
highways, motorways

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium