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Old July 7th, 2012, 03:52 PM   #14741
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I read that Switzerland was gonna introduce a higher priced 1-year vignette (like 100 euro) and introduce a monthly one for the previous 1-year vignette price (30 euro)
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Old July 7th, 2012, 03:52 PM   #14742
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For someone that drives in Switzerland just one time per year, the vignette is expensive... but if we're thinking at the Swiss that always drive on their motorways it's a lot cheaper than driving a lot in France or Italy...
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Old July 7th, 2012, 05:01 PM   #14743
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No it's not. People are able to decide for themselves if they want to use it or not.
Brussels disagrees with you since it forced Slovenia to introduce cheaper vignettes. I found it funny how Italy and Austria had the biggest mouths when it came to our vignettes, while they themselves still have overpriced tunnels.
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Old July 7th, 2012, 06:03 PM   #14744
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No it's not. People are able to decide for themselves if they want to use it or not.
so it goes the same for SLO first vignette (35€ month), people were able to decide for themselves if they want to use it or not.

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Old July 7th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #14745
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I read that Switzerland was gonna introduce a higher priced 1-year vignette (like 100 euro) and introduce a monthly one for the previous 1-year vignette price (30 euro)
Yes that's planned. Discussions are still going on.
The cheaper one will last for two months and cost 40 CHF.
The 1-year vignette will cost 70 or 100 CHF, not yet decided.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 12:36 AM   #14746
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Yes that's planned. Discussions are still going on.
The cheaper one will last for two months and cost 40 CHF.
The 1-year vignette will cost 70 or 100 CHF, not yet decided.
That's nasty...
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Old July 8th, 2012, 12:40 AM   #14747
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I spotted these in France, on the Iseran road.



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Old July 8th, 2012, 01:12 AM   #14748
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Both great cars!

@Bogdymol: about LPG conversion, are you considering CNG as well? It's usually cheper while having pretty much the same disadvantages of LPG (and no or reduced underground facilities issues). The cost of ordinary CNG maintenance should be lower (no special LPG filter) while, if I remember correctly, the CNG piping and tank system has a shorter lifecycle than the LPG one.

The reliability of LPG/CNG converted motors may vary, mainly to some of the materials used to build the most exposed parts of the engine itself.
A typical problem comes from the lack of lubrication (normally given by petrol) of moving parts, e.g. the valves and their holes.
Usually japanese engines are not so suitable for CNG/LPG conversions.

My MB A160 cannot be converted, due to too many bad cases reported. My Lancia Y, with 1.2 Fiat FIRE engine, would have no problem with that.
You should search for cases of succesfully converted cars with your engine: being a european Chevy, look into Daewoo, Opel, Vauxhall and General Motors archives as well. Also look at Brazilian market "FlexiFuel" versions of your engine.

As a general rule, the CNG/LPG conversion technique cannot be applied to petrol Direct Injection and diesel engines, but experimental systems are being tested.

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If a LPG vehicle is caught at a traffic control without proper documents, a 30-100% surcharge to basic fee is payable. In addition, the fee is charged for 20 days if there is no proof of the date of entrance to Finland to show. Thus, in that case 8580 eur is the minimum charge.
I think I could declare war to Finland if such a crazy fine was applied to me... Luckily I have no LPG cars nor I'll ever get there by car


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Old July 8th, 2012, 01:31 AM   #14749
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Isn't this illegal? In Bulgaria you're not allowed to drive a moped/scooter on motorways, because it's technical maximum speed is supposed to be 50 km/h or under.
Of course it is. If I'm not mistaken, in Poland on motorways and expressways only these vehicles aren't forbidden, which are able to get 60 km/h.

Suburbanist: I'm glad how they overtook the new, silly French registrating system.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #14750
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Both great cars!

@Bogdymol: about LPG conversion, are you considering CNG as well? It's usually cheper while having pretty much the same disadvantages of LPG (and no or reduced underground facilities issues). The cost of ordinary CNG maintenance should be lower (no special LPG filter) while, if I remember correctly, the CNG piping and tank system has a shorter lifecycle than the LPG one.

The reliability of LPG/CNG converted motors may vary, mainly to some of the materials used to build the most exposed parts of the engine itself.
A typical problem comes from the lack of lubrication (normally given by petrol) of moving parts, e.g. the valves and their holes.
Usually japanese engines are not so suitable for CNG/LPG conversions.

My MB A160 cannot be converted, due to too many bad cases reported. My Lancia Y, with 1.2 Fiat FIRE engine, would have no problem with that.
You should search for cases of succesfully converted cars with your engine: being a european Chevy, look into Daewoo, Opel, Vauxhall and General Motors archives as well. Also look at Brazilian market "FlexiFuel" versions of your engine.

As a general rule, the CNG/LPG conversion technique cannot be applied to petrol Direct Injection and diesel engines, but experimental systems are being tested.

I think I could declare war to Finland if such a crazy fine was applied to me... Luckily I have no LPG cars nor I'll ever get there by car


@Road_UK: is your Sprinter built for LHD or RHD? Do you use headlights masks when travelling "on the wrong side of the road"?
RHD. And I never adapt my headlights, that's something that only fanatic tourists seem to be doing. Keep it on level 2 and you will be ok.
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Dammit, another brit driving on the wrong side of the vehicle

But I guess adapting the headlights is the last problem for a white van driver going 170 while reading the newspaper and eating a cheesburger with a ho sitting on his lap
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Old July 8th, 2012, 02:01 AM   #14752
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That's ok, I'm half Dutch living in Tyrol most of the time..
I'm on the phone as well, using the skyscrapercity app...
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Old July 8th, 2012, 09:55 AM   #14753
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@Bogdymol: about LPG conversion, are you considering CNG as well? It's usually cheper while having pretty much the same disadvantages of LPG (and no or reduced underground facilities issues). The cost of ordinary CNG maintenance should be lower (no special LPG filter) while, if I remember correctly, the CNG piping and tank system has a shorter lifecycle than the LPG one.

The reliability of LPG/CNG converted motors may vary, mainly to some of the materials used to build the most exposed parts of the engine itself.
A typical problem comes from the lack of lubrication (normally given by petrol) of moving parts, e.g. the valves and their holes.
Usually japanese engines are not so suitable for CNG/LPG conversions.

My MB A160 cannot be converted, due to too many bad cases reported. My Lancia Y, with 1.2 Fiat FIRE engine, would have no problem with that.
You should search for cases of succesfully converted cars with your engine: being a european Chevy, look into Daewoo, Opel, Vauxhall and General Motors archives as well. Also look at Brazilian market "FlexiFuel" versions of your engine.

As a general rule, the CNG/LPG conversion technique cannot be applied to petrol Direct Injection and diesel engines, but experimental systems are being tested.
In Romania CNG isn't popular, but LPG is.

I'm worrying about the conversion because I've seen a lot of cars identical to mine that were converted. In fact, many taxi drivers in Romania have my type of car converted on LPG and they work fine.

I think I'll go on Monday at a company that does this type of conversion for more informations.
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I spotted these in France, on the Iseran road.



2nd highest road in Europe after Col de la Bonette, right?
BTW, what kind of plate is it?

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Of course it is. If I'm not mistaken, in Poland on motorways and expressways only these vehicles aren't forbidden, which are able to get 60 km/h.
In Italy motorcycles below 150cc aren't allowed on motorways and blue-signs expressways.
However I spotted 125cc scooters on A11 near Florence and many times on Sicilian motorways. I once saw two people with luggage and backpacks (probably hitchhikers) walking along the SS3bis (E45) south of Cesena!
A friend of mine saw two guys hitchhiking along the A23 near Tolmezzo and called the police. The guy who gave me driving lessons when I was 18 said that he saw someone cycling on the A28.

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2nd highest road in Europe after Col de la Bonette, right?
BTW, what kind of plate is it?


In Italy motorcycles below 150cc aren't allowed on motorways and blue-signs expressways.
However I spotted 125cc scooters on A11 near Florence and many times on Sicilian motorways. I once saw two people with luggage and backpacks (probably hitchhikers) walking along the SS3bis (E45) south of Cesena!
A friend of mine saw two guys hitchhiking along the A23 near Tolmezzo and called the police. The guy who gave me driving lessons when I was 18 said that he saw someone cycling on the A28.
I have a photo of a guy on Vespa at A24 in Gran Sasso area
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There is a section on Spanish A-23 (Exactly between exits 47 and 57) where cycling is allowed despite being a motorway, due to lack of alternative route. On E07 between N-330 and exit 299* too, only Northbound (Southbound you can go directly to N-330, where bikes are allowed despite being dual carriageway because that is not clasified as a motorway).

* E07 continues with the same kmposts of A-23, well actually IS the A-23. But since I prefer E-numbering over national numbering, for me the motorway is A-23 up to Zaragoza and E07 from there.

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But I guess adapting the headlights is the last problem for a white van driver going 170 while reading the newspaper and eating a cheesburger with a ho sitting on his lap
They say "Don't drink and drive", but I know someone who is a champion of drinking and driving at the same time!
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In Amsterdam they would say: why drink and drive, when you can smoke and fly....
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I have a photo of a guy on Vespa at A24 in Gran Sasso area
Even better, since it's a tolled motorway and you must pass through booths to enter and exit. I wonder if he had telepass
Can you post the pic here?
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Even better, since it's a tolled motorway and you must pass through booths to enter and exit. I wonder if he had telepass
Can you post the pic here?
here you are
btw i rather think it is between tunnel San Rocco (intersection A24/A25) and L'Aquila

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