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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:11 PM   #14781
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Just don't put the streetview guy in cities, but somewhere where its green. Take a look around a town called Workum, and admire the sightings there. That is where my roots are from. Very rural, and it attracts shitloads of Germans every summer. Lots of lakes, canals and green grass to swim, sail and have sex with cows if you're into that. Although Holland technically only resembles two Dutch provinces, internationally its widely used when you mention the entire nation.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:11 PM   #14782
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Road UK arent you a bit exaggerating? I cant believe that Mayrhofen is warmer than Pannonian plain, I check temperature maps quite offten and I know that Alpine valleys arent really the hottest place. You probably check the temperatures on your thermometer placed in the sun.

Hofburg thx, I might use some other roads to get to Vrhnika, then It should be alright. I hope that I will cycle there in a month or so.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:15 PM   #14783
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It's the truth. Hot sun and warm mountain winds heat up the place real good. Innsbruck is usually a lot cooler then Mayrhofen, and because of how the mountains are situated, we get the warmest weather patterns. Lots of lakes here too, to swim in.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #14784
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Usually only children or ignorants use "Holland" when the mean the Netherlands (specifically outside the two Holland provinces). I always have to laugh when I'm on a campsite and overhear some guy with a southern accent telling he's from "Holland".
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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #14785
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Check this map - http://terkep.idokep.hu/kep.php?kep=hoterkep2&regio=ceu

The only hot place in the Alps would be Bolzano and it is always like that.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:23 PM   #14786
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Thank you for calling me and all my friends and family all over Europe ignorant. Please don't tell me you always use the official name of Fryslan, when you are talking about Friesland.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:24 PM   #14787
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Check this map - http://terkep.idokep.hu/kep.php?kep=hoterkep2&regio=ceu

The only hot place in the Alps would be Bolzano and it is always like that.
I know for myself where I live, and what the temperatures are like, thank you. And Bozen is not far from here.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:28 PM   #14788
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I just can't really understand why some alpine valley gets much higher temperatures than rest of Austria?
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Thank you for calling me and all my friends and family all over Europe ignorant. Please don't tell me you always use the official name of Fryslan, when you are talking about Friesland.
Fryslân and Friesland means the same, while Holland and the Netherlands do not. It's a historically grown "synonym", even though the majority of the Dutch population does not live in the two Holland provinces. Back in the middle ages "Holland" was by far the most important part of what is current-day Netherlands.

On the other hand the Netherlands is plural, which is also not entirely correct because in Dutch it's singular; Nederland, not Nederlanden. Maybe we should just change the name to Dutchland.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:44 PM   #14790
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Its the same when people say England, when they mean the entire UK. For me Holland is quicker to type then the Netherlands, as I am not on my computer, but using the Android app right now on my phone.
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I just can't really understand why some alpine valley gets much higher temperatures than rest of Austria?
It's a combination of height and the wind flow. Warm southern winds, called fohn, means it will never rain, even if they forecast it. And Mayrhofen often has hot sunshine weather, when it could be pissing down in the village just over the road. And even right now clouds are circulating around the area, but we are still sunbaking. Nights are often subjected to heavy thunderstorms. Check www.mayrhofen.at for weather and live webcams, and note its cooler up in the mountains then in the village.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #14792
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Usually only children or ignorants use "Holland" when the mean the Netherlands (specifically outside the two Holland provinces). I always have to laugh when I'm on a campsite and overhear some guy with a southern accent telling he's from "Holland".
In English, it's fairly widely used, although I for one realize it's incorrect....
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Its the same when people say England, when they mean the entire UK....
That, on the other hand, is just wrong!
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Old July 9th, 2012, 05:01 PM   #14794
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In English, it's fairly widely used, although I for one realize it's incorrect....
In German as well. The French use Pays Bas more frequently then Hollande.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #14795
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In Romanian the country name is "Olanda" and not "Ţările de Jos".
Also the people are referred to as "olandezi".
And the language is called "limba olandeză".
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Old July 9th, 2012, 06:33 PM   #14796
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discussion went wrong.

seem, i also have plan to cycle to Adria in August. first plan was going to island Lastovo, but that plan is off because my friends cannot get free days in the same time as I can.

now i have a plan to cycle direction Zagreb - D1 - Karlovac - Duga Resa - D23 - Josipdol - Žuta Lokva - Senj - D8 - Prizna - D106 - Novalja - Pag - Posedarje - D8 - Zadar - Biograd.
D23 is simply amazing, but there are 2 heavy ascents: first Mala Kapela - 11 km for some 450 metres of elevation, second climbing on Vratnik, 7 km for 250 metres.

i will test my skills this weekend, if i succeed to climb on Sljeme mountain over Zagreb (14 km for 800 metres), i am ready for that.
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Fryslân and Friesland means the same, while Holland and the Netherlands do not. It's a historically grown "synonym", even though the majority of the Dutch population does not live in the two Holland provinces. Back in the middle ages "Holland" was by far the most important part of what is current-day Netherlands.

On the other hand the Netherlands is plural, which is also not entirely correct because in Dutch it's singular; Nederland, not Nederlanden. Maybe we should just change the name to Dutchland.
There is also the point that the word Fryslân is in different language (Frysk) and not in Dutch as Friesland whereas Holland and Nederland are both from the Dutch language.

Anyway, I would think that most people from outside of the Netherlands are not aware of the difference between Holland and Netherlands. Its just two names for the same country.

E.g. in czech language you can use both names for The Netherlands: Nizozemí and Holandsko (meaning Nederland (lowlands) and Holland). Only few people are aware of the provinces with name Holland and the fact that the name is in fact used only for part of the country.

In Russian you can also use Голандия and Нидерланды as synonyms. The same goes about english and many other languages. I think the only ones that perhaps would use the "proper" names would be Germans and Belgians.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 06:43 PM   #14798
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In German as well. The French use Pays Bas more frequently then Hollande.
Pays Bas = Low Countries = literal translation of Neder-lands.

There are similar denominations like in Italian (Paesi Bassi) or Portuguese (Países Baixos).
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Old July 9th, 2012, 06:51 PM   #14799
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There is also the point that the word Fryslân is in different language (Frysk) and not in Dutch as Friesland whereas Holland and Nederland are both from the Dutch language.

Anyway, I would think that most people from outside of the Netherlands are not aware of the difference between Holland and Netherlands. Its just two names for the same country.

E.g. in czech language you can use both names for The Netherlands: Nizozemí and Holandsko (meaning Nederland (lowlands) and Holland). Only few people are aware of the provinces with name Holland and the fact that the name is in fact used only for part of the country.

In Russian you can also use Голандия and Нидерланды as synonyms. The same goes about english and many other languages. I think the only ones that perhaps would use the "proper" names would be Germans and Belgians.
They have abolished "Friesland" from the Dutch language now. Officially it's Fryslan in both languages. Holland is more commonly used in German then "die Niederlande".
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discussion went wrong.

seem, i also have plan to cycle to Adria in August. first plan was going to island Lastovo, but that plan is off because my friends cannot get free days in the same time as I can.

now i have a plan to cycle direction Zagreb - D1 - Karlovac - Duga Resa - D23 - Josipdol - Žuta Lokva - Senj - D8 - Prizna - D106 - Novalja - Pag - Posedarje - D8 - Zadar - Biograd.
D23 is simply amazing, but there are 2 heavy ascents: first Mala Kapela - 11 km for some 450 metres of elevation, second climbing on Vratnik, 7 km for 250 metres.

i will test my skills this weekend, if i succeed to climb on Sljeme mountain over Zagreb (14 km for 800 metres), i am ready for that.
How about you cycle in Holland instead? Nationwide cycle path network with traffic lights, proper lane markings and safety interests registered in the Highway Code, makes Holland the best country to cycle in, with the exception of Amsterdam where cycle-anarchy rules...

And of course Holland is as flat as a tat.
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