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Old July 9th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #14821
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And next month I will be in Munich! Too bad you have moved away Spinoza, on August 17-19 a EBT meeting will be hosted in Munich.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #14822
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Next week I will be in Canazei
Very beautiful place, I went there last year. You should drive to Pordoi pass and take the cable car to Sass Pordoi (2950m).
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Old July 10th, 2012, 12:01 AM   #14823
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We used to go there in March, last 3 years we go to Egypt rather than cold Alps. Snow, cold winter and moutains are also around here, I have enough of it . However i t would be nice to go o he Dolomites in the summer/autumn.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 08:42 AM   #14824
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And next month I will be in Munich! Too bad you have moved away Spinoza, on August 17-19 a EBT meeting will be hosted in Munich.
I wouldn't have gone to EBT meeting in any case. I really have nothing to say to some guy I shared a banknote with

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Very beautiful place, I went there last year. You should drive to Pordoi pass and take the cable car to Sass Pordoi (2950m).
I know Canazei well, been there several times. Cable car? Nonsense! I'm there to hike
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Old July 10th, 2012, 09:27 AM   #14825
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Next week I will be in Canazei

I heard from a friend of mine who worked in Groningen several years something like that, and I still don't understand. If there is shortage of houses, then build some.

When I moved to Germany I found a house - and began living in it - within a week.
It's not as easy as that in Holland. It is a small country, with a lot of people all cramped together. There is simply not enough room.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 09:42 AM   #14826
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It's not as easy as that in Holland. It is a small country, with a lot of people all cramped together. There is simply not enough room.
Dutchmen created their own land out of the sea, don't tell me they cannot create some houses, too
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Old July 10th, 2012, 09:45 AM   #14827
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Dutchmen created their own land out of the sea, don't tell me they cannot create some houses, too
Sure. But there is nowhere to put them....
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Old July 10th, 2012, 10:12 AM   #14828
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Sure. But there is nowhere to put them....
Come on. Population density in Lombardy is higher than in Netherlands, but there is still a lot of space to build.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 10:32 AM   #14829
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Not enough to meet everyone's needs. Also have to protect farmland and wildlife, and some rural areas attracts tourists, that needs to stay in tact. Holland is not a city state just yet, and it has to stay that way
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Old July 10th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #14830
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Ah, the "Netherlands is full" mantra.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #14831
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What wildlife?

Then they should build more and higher apartment blocks on deserted spaces, they surely exist.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:03 AM   #14832
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Ah, the "Netherlands is full" mantra.
Isn't Holland a country with the highest population per square metre in Europe? Doesn't this explain the housing shortage?
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #14833
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What wildlife?

Then they should build more and higher apartment blocks on deserted spaces, they surely exist.
Not really. Every inch has a purpose.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:05 AM   #14834
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Then you demolish old houses and build new apartment blocks. Is this that hard?
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:09 AM   #14835
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Isn't Holland a country with the highest population per square metre in Europe? Doesn't this explain the housing shortage?
That's not the same as "the Netherlands is full". Agrarian areas still account for 68% and natural areas for another 14% of the Dutch land area.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:13 AM   #14836
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Then you demolish old houses and build new apartment blocks. Is this that hard?
Yes. For obvious reasons.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #14837
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It's not as easy as that in Holland. It is a small country, with a lot of people all cramped together. There is simply not enough room.
I dont know, it is also question of money. If you are able to pay market prices then moving is not that hard.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:26 AM   #14838
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Obvious reason could mean Netherlanders don't want highrises? I just looked to Utrecht for example and I couldn't find them.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #14839
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Google on Bijlmermeer. Also Rotterdam is called the Manhattan of Holland. And I don't think there is any interest in making the entire country look like Poland, with these depressing grey communist buildings...
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #14840
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Obvious reason could mean Netherlanders don't want highrises? I just looked to Utrecht for example and I couldn't find them.
Exactly. Surveys found that over 70% of the Dutch want to live in detached housing in quiet areas. However, the government wants to construct the bulk of the new housing in existing urban areas, mainly mid- to upper class apartments. So very few people can afford to live in a detached house. Even a rowhouse in a suburban area is quite expensive, € 300.000 - 350.000 or more like the norm than an exception for a single family house.

The main issue currently is the lack of movement on the housing market, it's completely stuck. People can't sell their houses so they don't move to another house. At the same time, the social housing market is also stuck due to the very long waiting lists. Rental apartments which do not fall under the social housing market are usually at least twice as expensive, and approach the cost of a mortgage for a single family house. Rentals in Zwolle on the free market usually are € 800 - 1000 per month or more.
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