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Old September 4th, 2012, 11:13 PM   #15661
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I can't keep up with all these Golfs. I drove Golf IV at driving school.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 11:17 PM   #15662
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I can't keep up with all these Golfs. I drove Golf IV at driving school.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #15663
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I drove a Golf 2, diesel, so there's always worse..
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Old September 5th, 2012, 01:24 AM   #15664
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I drove Golf 5 at driving school
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Old September 5th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #15665
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I myself drove an Opel, I don't remember which one, at driving school. So I got a better car than yours .

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Both in the Netherlands, the 28 km N302 dam from Lelystad to Enkhuizen and the 29 km - and more famous - "afsluitdijk" or enclosure dam between Den Oever and Zurich.
I believe the Afsluitdyk* at E22 is more longer than 29 km, since it ends in Switzerland... .

* Due to budget cuts I'm replacing "ij" with "y" on Dutch placenames: Nijmegen becomes Nymegen, IJmuiden becomes Ymuiden, and so on.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 03:51 PM   #15666
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During driving school I drove a methane-powered Fiat Uno. Worst of all.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 04:03 PM   #15667
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I drove a Peugeot 307 SW during driving school. Fine car to drive, though it was known for its notorious unreliability, that's why I didn't buy one. I had an older Peugeot 306, which was a nice car, but it didn't have A/C and was a bit small. I don't like small cars, I travel mostly long-distance so I want a comfortable car with a higher seat. When I was driving an early 1990s Toyota Starlet, I had to "fold" myself into it, very uncomfortable car.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 04:27 PM   #15668
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* Due to budget cuts I'm replacing "ij" with "y" on Dutch placenames: Nijmegen becomes Nymegen, IJmuiden becomes Ymuiden, and so on.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 04:27 PM   #15669
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These are the "newest" driving school cars at my driving school, which I attended it 5 years ago.



Golf V; 2008; 85kW/115 PS; Benzin


Golf VI; 2011; 69kW/94 PS; LPG-Gas / Benzin

I don't know which VW Golf was it 5 years ago and sometimes I drove a Honda Civic at driving school.
I had 2 cars
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Old September 5th, 2012, 04:51 PM   #15670
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I drove Toyota Corolla Universal at driving school and BMW 118d at exam.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #15671
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I drove a ugly Renault Clio (2007), dci 75 PS.

If you think it was bad the other options were even worse:
- Cherlovet Aveo (Petrol/GLP or Diesel)
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- The "drug dealers and Canis car", also know as Seat Ibiza (tdi 75).
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Old September 5th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #15672
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I myself drove an Opel, I don't remember which one, at driving school. So I got a better car than yours .

I believe the Afsluitdyk* at E22 is more longer than 29 km, since it ends in Switzerland... .

* Due to budget cuts I'm replacing "ij" with "y" on Dutch placenames: Nijmegen becomes Nymegen, IJmuiden becomes Ymuiden, and so on.
Whij? Short on moneij?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #15673
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Maybe his donation to Italy to fix their E-numbering was, in retrospect, too generous.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 05:25 PM   #15674
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Questions for Dutch speakers:
Why IJsselmeer is written with two capital letters? Is Ysselmeer also correct (like Muenchen for München)?
And what's the 's in 's Hertogenbosch or 's Gravenhage? It's an article like the Italian La Spezia or L'Aquila? How is pronunciated?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #15675
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IJ is a digraph in Dutch and is considered as one letter. Only IJ is correct in Dutch, however Flemish people write it as Ij, which is incorrect in the Netherlands. Ysselmeer is archaic and not used anymore.

The 's comes from archaic "des" which means "the". 's-Gravenhage is considerd archaic, the real name is Den Haag. 's-Hertogenbosch is still used officially but most people say Den Bosch apart from language puritans. Note that 's is never capitalized at the beginning of a sentence, instead the next letter is capitalized.

Dutch still uses 's a lot, 's morgens 's middags 's avonds 's nachts (in the morning / afternoon / evening / night).

's is simply pronounced as "sss" (no "es"). sssgravenhage. Also note that "sch" in Den Bosch (or any other word ending in sch) is just pronounced like a short "s". It could've been Den Bos and nobody would notice the difference in speech. Some people will pronounce it as Den Boš though.

Dutch is a weird language.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #15676
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It's your language, of course, but as far as I can tell, capital IJ is written thus in Belgium as well. Example: http://www.standaard.be/artikel/deta...MF20120823_002

I think "des" is an old genitive/possessive: 's Hertogenbosch meant "the Duke's wood." The German might be something like "Des Herzogenbusch."

All languages are weird; that's what makes them fascinating.

Sorry to butt in/het spijt mij.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #15677
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Some people will pronounce it as Den Boš though.
Is š (used in slavic languages) pronunciated like the English sh or the German sch? So does Šibenik is pronunciated shibenik?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #15678
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It's your language, of course, but as far as I can tell, capital IJ is written thus in Belgium as well. Example: http://www.standaard.be/artikel/deta...MF20120823_002

I think "des" is an old genitive/possessive: 's Hertogenbosch meant "the Duke's wood." The German might be something like "Des Herzogenbusch."

All languages are weird; that's what makes them fascinating.

Sorry to butt in/het spijt mij.
Den is on its own an archaic article...

Der was possesive, it has to do with the gender I guess all coming from De => der or des
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:09 PM   #15679
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It's your language, of course, but as far as I can tell, capital IJ is written thus in Belgium as well. Example: http://www.standaard.be/artikel/deta...MF20120823_002
Apparently it becomes more common to write capitalized IJ instead of Ij in Flemish Dutch, but I've seen many people from Flanders still using Ij which looks funny in Dutch.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:10 PM   #15680
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Dutch Wikipedia says the "Den" names for both cities are actually older than the "'s" versions. The Hague adopted "'s-Gravenhage" only in the 17th century; it's not clear (to me*) why. *It probably would be clear if I knew the word "deftiger": the article says "...de naam 's-Gravenhage, die deftiger klinkt...."

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