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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #15681
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The "sch" and "ch" issue in the Netherlands is quite weird. School for instance, is not pronounced like English but also not like they would in German. The "sch" is pronounced like sgg but the "g" is unlike just about any language, it's a choking sound. Chris on the other hand is pronounced like Kris and not like ggris. It's actually relatively close to how you would pronounce Chris in English.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #15682
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The German might be something like "Des Herzogenbusch."
Sure? My very very basic German knowledge tell that der (masculine), die (feminine) and das (neutral) are the only article used. Did des existed in ancient German or did you want to type der or das?
Anyway, in Italian it's Boscoducale that means duke's forest without any article.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:18 PM   #15683
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Apparently it becomes more common to write capitalized IJ instead of Ij in Flemish Dutch, but I've seen many people from Flanders still using Ij which looks funny in Dutch.
I'll take your word for it, of course.

My first exposure to Dutch (as I've said in the Belgian thread) was through spending a night in Ostend; I then spent a year learning it out of books, with no opportunity (pre-Internet, and didn't have a short-wave radio) to hear it spoken. When I got back to Europe the next summer, I found formal Dutch in Belgium - railroad announcements, news broadcasts - easy to understand, the Dutch spoken in the Netherlands was more difficult for me. Not sure what this has to do with anything, but it seemed relevant when I started typing. Something about usage in Belgium being more varied, "official" usage like journalists trying to stick to a Dutch standard...?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #15684
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Sure? My very very basic German knowledge tell that der (masculine), die (feminine) and das (neutral) are the only article used. Did des existed in ancient German or did you want to type der or das?
Anyway, in Italian it's Boscoducale that means duke's forest without any article.
German, which I did study, has a case system, like Latin. I'm not sure if people still use the genitive much, but I certainly learned it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_grammar#Cases
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:29 PM   #15685
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The "sch" and "ch" issue in the Netherlands is quite weird. School for instance, is not pronounced like English but also not like they would in German. The "sch" is pronounced like sgg but the "g" is unlike just about any language, it's a choking sound. Chris on the other hand is pronounced like Kris and not like ggris. It's actually relatively close to how you would pronounce Chris in English.
Jesus Christ is pronounced both ways, either with g or k in Dutgg.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #15686
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Dutch Wikipedia says the "Den" names for both cities are actually older than the "'s" versions. The Hague adopted "'s-Gravenhage" only in the 17th century; it's not clear (to me*) why. *It probably would be clear if I knew the word "deftiger": the article says "...de naam 's-Gravenhage, die deftiger klinkt...."

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deftiger - that it just sounds more noble lets say (better). I don't think it has to do with the article as much as with the fact, that it is the full name. Its bit like official and less official name. E.g. in documents you will find the long variant, but in normal language you will find the short variant.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:44 PM   #15687
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German, which I did study, has a case system, like Latin. I'm not sure if people still use the genitive much, but I certainly learned it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_grammar#Cases
This has certainly to do with cases and their metamorphoses into common language use. Thus different articles cases keep appearing in certain names or phrases even now, although the cases disappeared from the language. There has also been some exchange between the articles and pronouns. Also the 3 common cases were kept in the pronouns as in just any germanic language. (in Dutch I mean)
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Old September 5th, 2012, 07:00 PM   #15688
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If you think it was bad the other options were even worse:
- Cherlovet Aveo (Petrol/GLP or Diesel)
Hey! What do you mean by that? My personal car is a Chevrolet Aveo on LPG

I did my driving school on a Dacia Supernova (1.4 L petrol engine from Renault):





My girlfriend now does the driving school on a Golf IV.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 07:56 PM   #15689
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I got Škoda Fabia 1,2 LPG Once I was driving it I spotted VW Touareg with driving school signs...
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Old September 5th, 2012, 07:58 PM   #15690
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Yous should all think yourselves lucky, I did mine in a Vauxhall Chevette. I still bear the mental scars!

Passed first time too!
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Old September 5th, 2012, 08:52 PM   #15691
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I drive in a new Toyota Yaris (not the newest version, the one before that) (I am currently taking lessons, I take my exam september 19th)

There's a driving school nearby where they only drive in Audi's.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #15692
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One of China's leading car-manufacturing cities will limit its citizens' ability to acquire new cars:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/bu...t4+S1jM4Q7Sj/Q

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Old September 5th, 2012, 09:03 PM   #15693
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That exists in Shanghai for years. Singapore also has a similar system.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 09:14 PM   #15694
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Beijing has that too right? A 20.000 new car max. per certain period plus the even and uneven number system. Right?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 09:26 PM   #15695
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In Japan you can buy a car only if you prove you have a place to park it.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #15696
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I drove a ugly Renault Clio (2007), dci 75 PS.

If you think it was bad the other options were even worse:
- Cherlovet Aveo (Petrol/GLP or Diesel)
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- The "drug dealers and Canis car", also know as Seat Ibiza (tdi 75).
beh. when i was attending driving school (probably the best equiped in the city), i remember that one other driving school still had Yugo beat this!
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Old September 5th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #15697
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In Japan you can buy a car only if you prove you have a place to park it.
That's only in some cities, not the entire country. And those Kei Cars are excluded of that limitation, that's why those minivans are so popular in Japan.
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That's only in some cities, not the entire country. And those Kei Cars are excluded of that limitation, that's why those minivans are so popular in Japan.
When I was there I was told that those cars have some fiscal advantages but still must comply with the parking regulation. Maybe I understood wrong.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 09:55 PM   #15699
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beh. when i was attending driving school (probably the best equiped in the city), i remember that one other driving school still had Yugo beat this!
I saw few days ago a driving school car that was an old Dacia 1310.

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beh. when i was attending driving school (probably the best equiped in the city), i remember that one other driving school still had Yugo beat this!
My mum drove a Zastava 128 at driving school. But my grandpa owned a Peugeot 404 already 50 years ago. (and he was not a member of the communist party )
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