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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:27 AM   #17041
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Suburbanist showed me the new "car sleep train" from Den Bosch, NL to Koper, Slovenia. You load your car onto a train and get expressed to Koper.

Their slogan is "cheaper than you expect!".

http://www.autoslaaptrein.nl/tarieven/koper

Let's see...

Den Bosch - Koper:
* auto: € 329
* bedroom: € 477

Koper - Den Bosch
* auto: € 269
* bedroom: € 348

booking fee: € 25
optional insurance: € 60 - 90

total: € 1.540

Cheaper than you expected?
Amtrak beens doing something like that for ages, from Lorton, Virginia (off I-95 south of Washington), to Orlando. Actually I'm not sure they still do it.

Now, why does it (the European one, I mean) cost more southbound than northbound?
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Old November 11th, 2012, 09:27 AM   #17042
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autoslaaptrein? dutch is like a weird english dialect. now I get how 'sleep' went to 'schlafen'.
The other way round, I think.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:00 AM   #17043
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Amtrak beens doing something like that for ages, from Lorton, Virginia (off I-95 south of Washington), to Orlando. Actually I'm not sure they still do it.

Now, why does it (the European one, I mean) cost more southbound than northbound?
Yep, the Auto Train. Apparently it has the highest revenue of any Amtrak train, so I suspect the costs are more or less similar. It's an 855-mile route, fairly similar to Den Bosch - Koper.

The different ticket prices are due to flexible fares.

I think most people who use it are wealthy elderly who cannot drive such distances comfortably anymore, and sports car owners who don't want to get so many miles on their car.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:10 AM   #17044
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DB has a number of destinations for such service. it used to run from Hamburg to Rijeka and it was nicely fullfilled. now it's been shortened to Villach, but there are still manya other destinations. https://www.dbautozug.de

another one - Optima Express from Villach to Edirne /Turkey): http://www.optimatours.de
i think this one runs daily. i ofetn saw it passing through Croatia. it had also branch to Greece, but it's been suspended.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 12:31 PM   #17045
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:20 PM   #17046
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another one - Optima Express from Villach to Edirne /Turkey): http://www.optimatours.de
i think this one runs daily. i ofetn saw it passing through Croatia. it had also branch to Greece, but it's been suspended.
No, it's just a few times a month, there's a timetable.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #17047
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Off to Mom's: power finally came back on yesterday and now we need to clean out the refrigerator (which needed it anyway; we'll probably find roast mammoth in the back - don't tell her I said so).

She had to play the "I'm a 79-year-old woman" card with the power company yesterday morning; that seemed to do it.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 08:02 PM   #17048
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...now we need to clean out the refrigerator
An awful job. I had to do this twice, first when I was helping my sister after the 2002 floods, then when my refrigerator broke while I was gone for a week. Nasty stuff.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #17049
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Suburbanist showed me the new "car sleep train" from Den Bosch, NL to Koper, Slovenia. You load your car onto a train and get expressed to Koper.

Their slogan is "cheaper than you expect!".

http://www.autoslaaptrein.nl/tarieven/koper

Let's see...

Den Bosch - Koper:
* auto: € 329
* bedroom: € 477

Koper - Den Bosch
* auto: € 269
* bedroom: € 348

booking fee: € 25
optional insurance: € 60 - 90

total: € 1.540

Cheaper than you expected?
. What we found cheaper than we expected was the ferry across the mouth of Miño/Minho river, from near A Guarda (Spain) to Caminha (Portugal). I can't recall how much costed, but I'm sure was below €20. Not that bad, considering that someone can travel back on time only by using that ferry!
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:16 PM   #17050
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In fact, except shuttle services on Swiss and Austrian tunnels when passes are closed, car trains are a "niche" service, for those who want to have their car at destination without driving long distances. I don't thing flying + renting a car for a week or more is cheaper.
There are rather big variations in pricing. Thus, rules of thumbs are not easy to post.

There might be good prices for flying and rental. However, if you have lot of to carry then flying might not be an option at all.

The Finnish Railways have a few car train routes between the destinations in the south and the north. During the low-season weeks, the prices are good. For example the tomorrow's departure from Helsinki to Rovaniemi (900 km) for two adults with beds in brand new sleeping cars equipped with a private toilet and shower costs 165 euros. During the season weekends, the price may be double.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:23 PM   #17051
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When comparing the high prices of auto-night trains, we must consider not only the service of "not having to drive", thus being transported and having the vehicle transported too, but also the fact that you are sparing one night of hotel fees.
And I agree, that's a lot of money, but it's a kind of service pretty hard to keep working. I'm surprised, too, by the number of people using those trains.

But I use to travel with my RV or to urban destinations where I will not need a car at all, so I'm not so much concerned by the costs of auto trains or renting a car on site

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An awful job. I had to do this twice, first when I was helping my sister after the 2002 floods, then when my refrigerator broke while I was gone for a week. Nasty stuff.
Gosh, that smell...
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I only count 12. I don't think Abkhazia is a country, just a part of Georgia.
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