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Old December 10th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #17561
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Well, what was wrong with paper maps?

I admit to being biased, though, because I love maps and - while I love Google Maps too - I live in fear of Google driving all the map publishers out of business.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #17562
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I love maps too, but I love digital maps even more.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 05:44 PM   #17563
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can't blame gps for apple maps
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Old December 10th, 2012, 05:44 PM   #17564
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There should be room in the world for both.

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Old December 10th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #17565
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can't blame gps for apple maps
Well, I meant electronic maps but wasn't sure that was the right term. Since I don't have GPS or a SmartPhone and don't see the need, GoogleMaps is all I actually use.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 05:52 PM   #17566
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There should be room in the world for both.
I think there is. But I also think that digital maps and satnavs are much easier to use.

I also think (it seems I think a lot these days) that if the Australian driver has bad paper maps, he will find himself in distress, just like he did with GPS.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:03 PM   #17567
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I would hope that a traditional map publisher, particularly one that's based in the country, would not print and distribute a product that has a sizable town miles away from where it really is. Some human being, at some point in the editing process, would say, whoa, that's not right.

And as for six people in two months ending up in the middle of woods, that just says to me they were doing what the computerized voice told them to rather than actually thinking.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:07 PM   #17568
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And as for six people in two months ending up in the middle of woods, that just says to me they were doing what the computerized voice told them to rather than actually thinking.
That's the problem, people stop thinking the moment they use a GPS. You sometimes see signs with "GPS off" in case road situations (like interchanges) changed recently, however this doesn't work because many people don't have a clue which direction on the signs to follow.

Even if you put up a giant sign that says "destination X left lane instead of right lane!" they don't know whether they have to follow that destination X or not.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:11 PM   #17569
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I would hope that a traditional map publisher, particularly one that's based in the country, would not print and distribute a product that has a sizable town miles away from where it really is. Some human being, at some point in the editing process, would say, whoa, that's not right.
There's no difference in publishing paper maps or digital maps, processes are the same. So if a digital map can be off several miles, a paper map can too. Digital maps are made by human beings, too, same as paper maps.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #17570
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There's no difference in publishing paper maps or digital maps, processes are the same. So if a digital map can be off several miles, a paper map can too. Digital maps are made by human beings, too, same as paper maps.
I was just reading about the town: it's got 30,000 people and is an important regional center with some tourism. I think an Australian in the map business would have realized it was 40 miles off (which is where the article says Apple put it) before the map went to press. But an Apple employee in Silicon Valley....
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:17 PM   #17571
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But an Apple employee in Silicon Valley....
I think (I hope) that digital maps data - Apple, Garmin, TomTom, whatever - are collected locally. By the way, I don't think that paper publishers do everything "in house". They may collect the data, but they probably sent them to Bangalore or Shenzou for them to put data together.
Same as digital maps, probably.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:18 PM   #17572
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With paper maps, you take notice of directional signage and route numbers. With a GPS, you follow a voice that says "take left turn 100 m" or "triple U-turn ahead".
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:23 PM   #17573
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With paper maps, you take notice of directional signage and route numbers. With a GPS, you follow a voice that says "take left turn 100 m" or "triple U-turn ahead".
No, not quite. Most modern navigation devices also tell you which signs to follow, with most of the devices even showing a picture or diagram of the actual roadsign.



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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #17574
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Great stuff, congratulations.
His comeback is not only bad for Italy, but indeed bad for the whole of Europe. I think we can all be certain of that.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 08:24 PM   #17575
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I think (I hope) that digital maps data - Apple, Garmin, TomTom, whatever - are collected locally. By the way, I don't think that paper publishers do everything "in house". They may collect the data, but they probably sent them to Bangalore or Shenzou for them to put data together.
Same as digital maps, probably.
it's Teleatlas for Google, and Navteq for Nokia (among them). Navteq has bunch of drivers/equiped cars who drive around and input data from the road.

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Old December 10th, 2012, 10:22 PM   #17576
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Ah, fair enough. At least when they overtake, it's better than the occasional truck driver that thinks it's OK to tailgate a vehicle one-tenth his truck's size. It's happened to me at least once, and it's a very scary experience knowing there's a huge piece of steel and freight weighing many tonnes just a few metres behind you at 110 km/h.



Indeed, quite interesting. I guess they thought it made a convenient median divider.



It's a pity you didn't go south from Sydney to Kiama, and then west to Canberra. The Kiama blowhole and Macquarie Pass are both definitely worth seeing (though Macquarie Pass only for road geeks).

This is Macquarie Pass: https://maps.google.com.au/?ll=-34.5...35148&t=p&z=15

Crossing the Illawarra Escarpment is never easy, and this is one of the steepest places with a road crossing. Which of course makes it an interesting drive.
Sorry, I first hear about the Kiama blowhole (looks interesting!) and Macquarie Pass. Do campervans cross it often? The road looks a bit narrow to me.

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I'll post a video of that road soon after I get my new car. Speaking of which, what do people here use to attach a camera to their car? I remember seeing a thread years ago on here about a device that attaches the camera securely, but I don't remember what it was called.
I just checked all threads and there's no such thread. Some people use tripods, others elastic to fix it, differently.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 10:44 PM   #17577
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It may not have been a separate thread, but I do remember discussion of that.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 10:55 PM   #17578
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Old December 10th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #17579
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