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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #18701
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I think EU should stay politicaly as it is, it's quite good. Economicaly I would like to see an EU-level ministry of finance.

as for language barrier, this is changing by generations, young europeans speak more languages and travel a lot already today, I speak 4 languages myself. today already middle-age generation is much less flexible in these aspects.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #18702
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A little bit of everyday example, Milka chocolate when you buy it in Slovenia is made in Bulgaria, 50 km away in Austria you buy the same Milka chocolate but with one difference its made in Germany or Austria..
Now question wouldnt be cheaper to deliver that shipment of chocolate from Austria which is just 50 km away from Ljubljana our capital and not from Bulgaria which is i dont know 1000 km away? But no for balkan states is one tipe of food for west europeans is the other.
sadly large part of nutrition import-export is still based on pre 90's europe.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:27 PM   #18703
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You know problem in europe is also that powerful ex-colonial EU countries looks to other not that economicaly strong EU countries (Greece, Spain...and of course Slovenia) exalted.
That is also one of the big differences between EU and USA. You see and that is why EU will never be able to compete with USA.
A little bit of everyday example, Milka chocolate when you buy it in Slovenia is made in Bulgaria, 50 km away in Austria you buy the same Milka chocolate but with one difference its made in Germany or Austria..
Now question wouldnt be cheaper to deliver that shipment of chocolate from Austria which is just 50 km away from Ljubljana our capital and not from Bulgaria which is i dont know 1000 km away? But no for balkan states is one tipe of food for west europeans is the other.
And dont get me wrong i got nothing against Bulgaria, they have great traditional food and wine that is the fact!
You see Penn in USA you all have the same food no matter if you are from New York or Los Angeles or Florida. And the shipment comes from the factory which is nearest to town or region.

Look at this SLO tv video (its in English) - at 11:5
Link:http://tvslo.si/predvajaj/globus/ava2.156611538/
It's not quite that simple here: there are plenty of regional brands, not to mention more regional differences in taste than you might expect.

But I get your point.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 05:11 PM   #18704
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I think that Slovenes import from Bulgaria because Bulgarian products are cheaper than Austrian ones even if they come from more far away, since labor is cheaper in Bulgaria.
In Western Europe Bulgaria has a bad reputation (no insult to Bulgarians, but many think it's s 3rd world country with lax law enforcement and don't even know it's in EU) so probably our retailers don't think that selling "made in Bulgaria" foodstuff is appealing for Western consumers.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 05:33 PM   #18705
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we eat nutella from poland and it isnt cheaper than in italy
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Old January 24th, 2013, 05:40 PM   #18706
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we eat nutella from poland and it isnt cheaper than in italy
The price you pay is the same. But retailers pay less to wholesalers so their earning margin is bigger.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #18707
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Are the Nutella from Poland and the Milka from Bulgaria worse than the corresponding products from western Europe?
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Old January 24th, 2013, 05:52 PM   #18708
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Are the Nutella from Poland and the Milka from Bulgaria worse than the corresponding products from western Europe?
Don't think so. Products from international companies are usually the same everywhere. Coca Cola in Rome tastes like in London, New York, Tokyo and Beijing.
But some people may think East->poverty and corruption->bad products. However we still have things like contaminated cow meat from Britain, toxic mozzarella from Germany, vegetables grown near illegal landfills in Italy...
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Old January 24th, 2013, 06:02 PM   #18709
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Old January 24th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #18710
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Not true. Most importaint thing is that the price in Austria or in Slovenia for Milka is the same, difference is just that we get less quallity product. Somethink simmilar is going on with washing powders (Ariel, Persil).
But in other hand probably is that also connected with our retailers in that i agree with you. Its not that it is imposible to import Milka from Austria they are selling it in DM markets all across Slovenia, but bigger retailers are importing Less quality Milka from Bulgaria for the same price. So bottom line Westerners are making money (less chocolade in product) on stupidity of East europeans which apparenly cant see or taste the difference beetween product which are produced for them and those which are produced for wesereners. This is two way EU..

I was talking about Milka brand...so if your assumptions are correct then it is true that "Bulgarian" Milka cocolad is lower quality (not because bulgarians are not able to produce the same quality cocolade as in Austria but because leadership in Milka company assessed that for those Balkans and east europeans that is good enought and anyway they will never know the difference so they add i don know more milk and cocoa powder and less cocolade in the mix ) than Milka produced in Austria or in Germany.
I was saying that we trust more a product made in Austria rather than in Bulgaria even if the content is the same, but I didn't know that Bulgarian Milka was actually worse than the Austrian one.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 06:17 PM   #18711
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... so they add i don know more milk and cocoa powder and less cocolade in the mix ) than Milka produced in Austria or in Germany...
Not going to argue on this stereotyping kind of thinking, but this phrase shows that you speak without knowing the reality - chocolate is made out of... cocoa. So by adding more cocoa they cannot make less chocolate
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Old January 24th, 2013, 06:28 PM   #18712
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Not going to argue on this stereotyping kind of thinking, but this phrase shows that you speak without knowing the reality - chocolate is made out of... cocoa. So by adding more cocoa they cannot make less chocolate
That is not the point
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Old January 24th, 2013, 06:40 PM   #18713
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I was saying that we trust more a product made in Austria rather than in Bulgaria even if the content is the same, but I didn't know that Bulgarian Milka was actually worse than the Austrian one.
Let's cut the bullshit we all know how it is
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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:13 PM   #18714
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Let's cut the bullshit we all know how it is
What, you want the wall and barbed wire to go back up again?
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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:21 PM   #18715
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Giethoorn, the Netherlands had the first ice-skating tour on natural ice this year in the Netherlands. They stopped admission when things began to overcrowd. Over 17 000 skaters were already on the ice and the local road network became clogged as thousands more were underway to the area. The police closed the area off to prevent even more people from going to skate. This shows the frenzy that occurs in the Netherlands when ice-skating is possible.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:22 PM   #18716
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What, you want the wall and barbed wire to go back up again?
There was never a wall or barbed wire around Slovenia, except on the Hungarian border (barbed wire probably, not a wall).
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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #18717
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Don't think so. Products from international companies are usually the same everywhere. Coca Cola in Rome tastes like in London, New York, Tokyo and Beijing.
I disagree. Italian Fanta orange doesn't taste the same as Spanish one.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 08:09 PM   #18718
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Old January 24th, 2013, 08:26 PM   #18719
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Old January 24th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #18720
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A question to UK fellows here.

Are real life Brits actually willing to get out of the EU or is it just a political shenanigan?
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