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Old January 25th, 2013, 03:59 PM   #18761
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Actually, Road_UK is right.

Anything south of Austria was never considered orderly by western Europeans.

EDIT: To be honest, it wasn't orderly anyway.
it was kinda orderly before 1918
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #18762
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For those who read French: says here Berlusconi's giving up bimbos....

http://www.lalibre.be/actu/internati...s-de-cote.html
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:13 PM   #18763
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For those who read French: says here Berlusconi's giving up bimbos....

http://www.lalibre.be/actu/internati...s-de-cote.html
He's engaged now, with a woman than can be his granddaugther:
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:16 PM   #18764
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it was kinda orderly before 1918
You mean before 1914?
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:19 PM   #18765
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:23 PM   #18766
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it was kinda orderly before 1918
Unitil 1914 was much better to live in the Austrian-occupied part of Italy rather than in the territories that were once part of the Kingdow of two Sicilies.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #18767
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Udine were not part of Austria, how do you know?

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You mean before 1914?
well at least 1916, 14-16 was still peaceful at Kranjska
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:01 PM   #18768
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well at least 1916, 14-16 was still peaceful at Kranjska
The Battles of the Isonzo/Soča started in 1915.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #18769
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A map of the Austrian-Hungarian empire, for reference:


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Here, in light green, territories that had been promised to Italy but then not fully delivered after the war ended (failure to put Dalmatia, where many ethnic Italian lived, under Italian control as it had been promised in 1916 was one of the factors that drove the fascists to power a decade later)


On this image, in detail:


Green: post WW-1 border
Yellow: current border
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:08 PM   #18770
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Udine were not part of Austria, how do you know?
Historic knowledge. The Italian irridentism was more a patriotic movement rather than a struggle against a real oppressor. Dozens of nationalities lived under the Austro-Hungarian empire and all had the same rights. However, I'm glad that at least a part of those Italian lands are part of Italy now. And we could have even more if we didn't join WWII with Hitler.

BTW, the whole North-Eastern Italy was part of Austria until 1866 (Italy unificated in 1861).
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #18771
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A map of the Austrian-Hungarian empire, for reference:...
On your second map, what's "Theresiopel" - is that Novi Sad? (I always like learning new exonyms....)
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #18772
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Ugh, anachronistic map; Slovenia didn't exist before 1945, that was Carniola. Carinthia (Carinzia) is also too big and Karst (Carso) is also a bit stretched.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:34 PM   #18773
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... I don't know what "carso" is even doing there, it's not a region name.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:34 PM   #18774
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Still the iron curtain was there.
it was not actually. Yugoslavia was more like kinda zone tampon. i am almost sure that it was easier for us to go to Italy than to Hungary in 80es.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #18775
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... I don't know what "carso" is even doing there, it's not a region name.
It is.
It just depends, what is definition of region on that map.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:45 PM   #18776
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On your second map, what's "Theresiopel" - is that Novi Sad? (I always like learning new exonyms....)
No, that is Subotica.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresiopel
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Some of those names are political, some are geographic. Not the best map out there.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #18778
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On your second map, what's "Theresiopel" - is that Novi Sad? (I always like learning new exonyms....)
It's "Maria-Theresiopel", old-fashioned German name for present-day Subotica in northern Serbia.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #18779
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i am almost sure that it was easier for us to go to Italy than to Hungary in 80es.
True. I went to Hungary in 1995 and it was pretty complicated procedure and long waiting time despite empty road. Going with bus into Czech rep., Slovakia and other countries was pretty time consuming on borders and sometimes quite strict.
I remember going into Italy or Austria, they just looked at your passports and waved forward. Going back was a little bit longer as you had to tell custom officer that you have nothing to declare. Usually they did not look much into the car so we smuggled loads of stuff back home, especially in late 1980ies.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 08:41 PM   #18780
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True. I went to Hungary in 1995
You mean 1985? In 1995 it shouldn't have been problematic any more. I went to Hungary in 1996 and it was no problem (entered from Austria).
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