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Old January 26th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #18821
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Can you show us the Iron Curtain on Yugoslavia's border?


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Iron Curtain ≠ socialism
Didn't Churchill, in the speech that invented the term "iron curtain," say "from Stettin on the Baltic to Trieste on the Adriatic"?

EDIT: I see we've covered that already. (Catching up here...)
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Old January 26th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #18822
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Well, that was exciting: just spent the morning in the hospital, thanks to a kidney stone. Hope it passes soon. But morphine's a great invention.

(There - how's that for a subject change?)
By "Hope it passes" do you mean "Hope I piss it out"?
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Old January 26th, 2013, 09:02 PM   #18823
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....As italystf already pointed out, Churchill made a mistake anyway. The Iron Curtain didn't start by Stettin/Szczecin, but Lübeck.
I always assumed he just wasn't recognizing the Soviet occupation of part of Germany as a fait accompli. (I'd forgotten the line about the capitals.)
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Old January 26th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #18824
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By "Hope it passes" do you mean "Hope I piss it out"?
That's about the size of it. (Actually, 2 mm is the size of it, I'm told). They even gave me a strainer to use every time I pee so I can catch it for the urologist to analyze.

But we do indeed talk about "passing" them.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 09:30 PM   #18825
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What about travel between Warsaw pact countries and Yugoslavia? Was it easy?
Yes, it was easy.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 09:46 PM   #18826
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We're talking about the Iron Curtain, not whom Yugoslavia was closer to (which is subjective anyway). It was neither.
It wasn't neither. That's why you're now eating Bulgarian Milka, not Austrian one
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Old January 26th, 2013, 11:14 PM   #18827
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we have discussion about Bulgarian Kraft Foods, iron curtain and kidney stones at the same moment! isnt' that fabolous?!
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Old January 26th, 2013, 11:24 PM   #18828
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Albania also tries "its own way" and their dictator Enver Hhonxa went psychotic
They say Albania was even worse than the Soviet Union.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 01:09 AM   #18829
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enough to look at slovenian society and economy structure and situation now to see that post war YU was certainly on the eastern side of europe.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 01:44 AM   #18830
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enough to look at slovenian society and economy structure and situation now to see that post war YU was certainly on the eastern side of europe.
Depends on the point of view. For people in the Warsaw Pact countries Yugoslavia was heaven on Earth. Think of mulattos. For us they are black, for blacks they are white.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 02:14 AM   #18831
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Yugo was something in between. It was holiday resort that could be used by both sides.

I remember "funny" story from an Adriatic beach my mother told me. My brother was one little angel when he was around 3 years. Arian angel you could say. Blond curly hair, blue eyes, but he can have nice tan as well. Some German family from BRD wanted to buy him from my parents because they could not have their own kids. That woman was just crazy and it meant premature end of holiday for my parents as they had to watch him all the time to not get him stolen.

Those were the times in Yugo. Soviets had minimum influence there as well as western powers. And the country worked well combining both worlds. Almost an european China as to the economic system one could say, but without that capitalist drive that rules in China. Pretty much social capitalism I would call it.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 02:50 AM   #18832
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But could people from Yugoslavia travel or immigrate to Western Europe?

Because else it would have been an easy route for East Germans to circumvent the SDP and get to West Germany.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 03:06 AM   #18833
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But could people from Yugoslavia travel or immigrate to Western Europe?

Because else it would have been an easy route for East Germans to circumvent the SDP and get to West Germany.
There was an agreement that the Yugo border control were not letting the other social countries so easily away. The Yugoslavians on the other side were quite freely traveling I suppose.

It was however much easier to cross unoficially there for the foreigners.

You could call it semi-curtain. The curtain did not affect the Yugoslavians, they were more or less free to travel both ways, on both borders, western and eastern.

The eastern countries were to some extent free on the eastern border with Yugo, but it was not free pass anyway. And they were not free on the western Yugo borders.

The western countries then rather free on the western Yugo borders, but not free on the eastern Yugo borders.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 03:13 AM   #18834
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we have discussion about Bulgarian Kraft Foods, iron curtain and kidney stones at the same moment! isnt' that fabolous?!
Yes, it is. And for the person who was lamenting bad Bulgarian Milkas sold in Slovenia, I found this quote from an interview with the director of Kraft Foods Bulgaria, for all it's worth.

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It is very important to stress that Kraft Foods does not use cheaper recipes for the Eastern European markets.

In April last year the Slovak Association of Consumers alleged that major food and drink multinationals are packing variable quality products to be shipped to different European countries under the same name.

I can definitely say that for each product Kraft Foods – and this is something that this same study proved - has the same recipe. The Milka chocolate bar in Bulgaria and Austria are exactly the same.


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Old January 27th, 2013, 03:27 AM   #18835
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You quote the Executive Director of Kraft Foods Bulgaria? That's like asking a criminal, if he's innocent. I rather believe the Slovak Association of Consumers.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 03:29 AM   #18836
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Read carefully, he said the Slovaks did a study and found the same. Get over your complexes :P
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Old January 27th, 2013, 03:32 AM   #18837
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Here's a link to an article about the study

http://www.euractiv.com/consumers/fo...st-news-504026

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Of the tested products only Milka chocolate proved to be of identical quality across all the samples tested.
So even if everything else is of different quality, Milka is all the same
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Old January 27th, 2013, 03:44 AM   #18838
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Read carefully
TLDR.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 03:52 AM   #18839
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Here's a link to an article about the study

http://www.euractiv.com/consumers/fo...st-news-504026



So even if everything else is of different quality, Milka is all the same
Well as I said, Milka is more expensive in the Eastern Europe. But anyway, also in Milka there are differences .

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U některých potravin se liší také údaje na obalech. Čokoláda Milka měla identické složení, ta německá na obalu navíc slibovala stoprocentní podíl alpského mléka. Polotučné mléko z Německa mělo na obale navíc informaci o obsahu vápníku, což na české etiketě chybělo.

Zdroj: http://ekonomika.idnes.cz/nemci-ztra..._ekonomika_vem

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In German Milkas is 100 % alpin milk, in czech milkas this information is missing, as well the information about the amount of calcium in the milk.
Same groceries, different prices or different quality. Basically often those products cheaper in the CZ had lower quality, but same names or same types of products. Same products then mostly cheaper or around the same as in D. Even the Czech beer is cheaper in Germany.

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Old January 27th, 2013, 04:04 AM   #18840
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Well, cheaper in Germany doesn't mean high quality. Food in the US, for example, is very cheap in comparison but are of very low quality.
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