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Old January 30th, 2013, 02:33 PM   #18961
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That test in the Guardian is p!$$ easy. No the wonder some of you are getting high scores.

Time to close the borders methinks.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #18962
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8/10 for me! On the other hand, did you know that Hungarian citizenship can be given to any person whose ancestors were born on the territory of the Kingdom of Hungary before 1921? Another requirement is that you speak Hungarian.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 02:49 PM   #18963
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9 of 10, not bad. I was most unsure about jury age. What is the correct answer (I answered 21 years)?
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Old January 30th, 2013, 02:56 PM   #18964
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9 of 10, not bad. I was most unsure about jury age. What is the correct answer (I answered 21 years)?
18 same as voting. In the eyes of the law at the age of 17 you're still classed as a minor (youth) and an adult once you reach 18.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:00 PM   #18965
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Ok, I thought that for jury you need to be older - 18 years didn't seem right for me. At least other thing were right without much thinking.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:06 PM   #18966
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Thank God there's no such thing as jury duty in Italy...
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:06 PM   #18967
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8/10 for me! On the other hand, did you know that Hungarian citizenship can be given to any person whose ancestors were born on the territory of the Kingdom of Hungary before 1921? Another requirement is that you speak Hungarian.
Wait a sec, so if I speak fluent Hungarian, then it means that I can get their citizenship? Even if I was born in Sweden????
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:09 PM   #18968
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The problem is not the subway, not even the Circumvesuviana (though it is crap and need new trains badly), but buses. Despite the whining about fuel costs, the total cost incurred on bus drivers (not only their wage but taxes on wages, paid leave etc. etc.) is the biggest component of the bus system, whereas in the subway one single driver can drive a vehicle transporting much more people.
I do like the name Circumvesuviana....
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:19 PM   #18969
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Wait a sec, so if I speak fluent Hungarian, then it means that I can get their citizenship? Even if I was born in Sweden????
Correct, but just in case your great-grandfather was born in what was then Hungary...
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:23 PM   #18970
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8/10 for me! On the other hand, did you know that Hungarian citizenship can be given to any person whose ancestors were born on the territory of the Kingdom of Hungary before 1921? Another requirement is that you speak Hungarian.
Was this law recently introduced by Victor Orban? I read that generated a controversy with Slovakia, that was once part of the Hungarian Kingdom and has still Hungarian minorities.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:25 PM   #18971
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9 out of 10 on that British test. But I refuse unless those su adopt the €uro .
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:40 PM   #18972
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Was this law recently introduced by Victor Orban? I read that generated a controversy with Slovakia, that was once part of the Hungarian Kingdom and has still Hungarian minorities.
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With the new Hungarian nationality law, by January 2011, every person who was a Hungarian citizen or is a descendant of a person who was a Hungarian citizen before 1920, and speaks Hungarian may apply to become a Hungarian citizen even if he or she does not live in Hungary. As of July 22, 2011, more than 120,000 applications have been filed and 20,000 people have been granted citizenship thanks to the new nationality law. These people are mostly from Transylvania (Romania), Vojvodina (Serbia) and Ukraine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_citizenship

Yes, this law was introduced by Orbán's government.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:41 PM   #18973
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Yes but maintenance is much more expensive for subway than for buses.
You have to divide it by the riders' number
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:46 PM   #18974
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Yes but maintenance is much more expensive for subway than for buses.
Is it?

I'm not sure, buses take a lot of damage, and don't last as nearly as much as trains.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:51 PM   #18975
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Is it?

I'm not sure, buses take a lot of damage, and don't last as nearly as much as trains.
Maybe. But trains are a lot more expensive. Then you have to add excavating tunnels, mantaining tunnels, rails, underground stations... With buses you don't have to take care of roads and infrastructures. And "stations" are often just poles.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #18976
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You have to divide the costs by the ******* ridership numbers! My first post wasn't clear enough
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:59 PM   #18977
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Many Italian cities have outdated networks of urban public transportation, with an excessive number of buses aiming at providing one-seat rides, which mean buses clogging central areas.

The concept of integrated fares and transfers hasn't arrived in many places. As many provinces and cities are facing financial crisis, they cannot afford the hefty subsidies they pay for transit agencies. Fares are often too low as well.

ATM, the transit agency of Milano, had an abysmal farebox recovery ratio of 16%. It increased a bit when they jacked up fares 1 1/2 years ago, but still lackluster. They have many duplicate bus routes, God forbids people take 3 vehicles to arrive at destination.

I'm not familiar with the network design in Napoli, but it is probably affected on the same way, too many buses duplicating rail and subway routes.

But you're one of this forum's leading proponents of the one-seat ride. So I'm not clear what your objection is. (Granted, the seat in question is in your own personal vehicle...)

That said - and I'm not the sort of person who makes a habit of reading studies, so don't ask me to cite it, or them - haven't studies shown that the more times someone has to change vehicles on a public-transit trip, the more likely he or she is to just say screw it and drive instead?
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Old January 30th, 2013, 04:04 PM   #18978
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Orban taking advantage of Schengen...
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Old January 30th, 2013, 04:06 PM   #18979
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You have to divide the costs by the ******* ridership numbers! My first post wasn't clear enough

I didn't read it. But do you really think that tickets sold have something to do with maintenance?
Trains can carry much more people that buses. But if in Italy so many train lines have been closed down, replaced by buses because "less expensive", it must mean something.

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Old January 30th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #18980
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You need really very good network in order to have working public transport. Its not a problem to change a bus, tram or metro as long as you don't have to wait too long somewhere. Its better to organize the network around hubs.

Btw. the public transport can't ever be paid only by the fares. That just does not work. People compare just actuall cost and not the sunk cost in their transportation.
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