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Old March 3rd, 2013, 02:46 PM   #19481
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Holy crap! The top 1% has 40% of the wealth while the bottom 80% has only 7% of the wealth - that is a really shocking difference. I guess GDP really is a useless indicator of the well-being of people.
Funny, when someone has it right he is "banned"... The same holds for the Europe, in fact its the general truth.

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Old March 3rd, 2013, 04:08 PM   #19482
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Today the first subway line of Brescia has been inaugurated. A trip from my home to the city centre, 25 minutes long by bus, now can be done in 6. First day was free of charge, so thousands of people used the metro, more than the organizers expected, resulting in glitches and long queues.
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Spero vi piacciano e spero di essere riuscito a dare l'idea di quant'è bella la vostra nuova Metropolitana.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 06:09 PM   #19483
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very modern and good looking! automatic stairs and elevators everywhere. compared to that, Paris is one pile of garbage.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 06:18 PM   #19484
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Great metro system!
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 07:28 PM   #19485
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The minimum wage is far too low in the United States.
Germany or Scandinavia don't have it at all though.

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Holy crap! The top 1% has 40% of the wealth while the bottom 80% has only 7% of the wealth - that is a really shocking difference. I guess GDP really is a useless indicator of the well-being of people.
Median wage would be a better indicator (although not ideal either).
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 08:10 PM   #19486
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very modern and good looking! automatic stairs and elevators everywhere. compared to that, Paris is one pile of garbage.
LOL. Philippines is worse.

I think we have the worst quality of rail transportation in all of South East Asia.



With that said, just look at this:

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^That is economic progress in action

For the Philippines to get something like this, I have to say (and I hate to admit this) but it will sadly take decades for our rail transport network to achieve this level of modernization, quality and improvement.

Also, they say Italy = in economic crisis?

What crisis?

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^With what I'm seeing above, I don't think there is any to begin with.......
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 08:12 PM   #19487
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 08:19 PM   #19488
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Also, they say Italy = in economic crisis?

What crisis?
I have to say, works began more than 10 years ago, before the crisis. And there is a number of articles in newspapers criticizing the enormous cost of this infrastructure (1 billion euro, more than 5 thousand per Brescia inhabitant). It will take more than 30 years for the city of Brescia to repay the loan to the banks...
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 11:29 PM   #19489
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If we are still at metro system in Italy, some pictures taken by a friend this week from Naples metro.

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Old March 4th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #19490
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It will take more than 30 years for the city of Brescia to repay the loan to the banks...
Just ignore them.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #19491
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I must say that this is one bad ass metro sistem....I envy you

Are all those blue stations (blue metro track) underground stations? im asking because there i see that this blue line is going through gallery (galleria). So is it open on one side or is it completely underground??

Is this blue track?

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Old March 4th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #19492
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What is the deal with red stations ...and what does it mean this word trincea is it trench ? So metro is going through trench so it is open here and red metro stations are on the surface, or?



While tunnels (blue on the map) are fully underground


Working in PT field, I'm with those who think this underground is a typical overengineering political work...
A good tramway would have fit [or fitted?] perfectly into that city, with lot less money needed.
If you carefull plan it, you get a ride not much slower than a subway and a good revision of the urban environment.
In such a city the tram travel time usually competes with metro travel time+time spent reaching the station underground...

What is more, the day they'll want to draw a second line they will have no money to dig another subway, and if they go with a tram they'll face the diseconomy of running two separate systems.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 01:39 AM   #19493
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While tunnels (blue on the map) are fully underground

Ok thank you for your answers, I understand now
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Old March 4th, 2013, 02:42 AM   #19494
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Brescia should borrow money from Ljubljanska banka, so they wouldn't have to back up the loan with warranty and eventually pay it back.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 08:20 AM   #19495
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My town borrowed money for 20 or 25 years just to change the tram lines with some new ones and to pave the road with new asphalt along...
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Old March 4th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #19496
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I must say that this is one bad ass metro sistem....I envy you

Are all those blue stations (blue metro track) underground stations? im asking because there i see that this blue line is going through gallery (galleria). So is it open on one side or is it completely underground??

What is the deal with red stations ...and what does it mean this word trincea is it trench ? So metro is going through trench so it is open here and red metro stations are on the surface, or?

Thx for your answers
Blue is fully underground (-30m); red is covered trench (-7m); yellow is ground level; green is viaduct.

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A good tramway would have fit [or fitted?] perfectly into that city, with lot less money needed.
If you carefull plan it, you get a ride not much slower than a subway and a good revision of the urban environment.
In such a city the tram travel time usually competes with metro travel time+time spent reaching the station underground...
I don't know how much you know Brescia, but there is not much room for a surface tram. Brescia is narrow, between two high hills, and traffic is nigthmare, always.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #19497
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Booked a 3 night stay in Venice area for Catholic Eastern period 29.03-01.04.
Thinking in doing something like this as route http://goo.gl/maps/JKpjO

What do you think? Any recommendations? I'm planning to visit Venice and islands nearby for the first 3 days, maybe on the first day stop somewhere on the way (where? Udine?), and also stop somewhere on the last day on the way back (Verona? Lake Garda?)

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Old March 4th, 2013, 05:13 PM   #19498
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Western Garda shore is nicer than Eastern, imho.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 05:15 PM   #19499
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Palmanova is apparently a nice town. It's just south of Udine at the A4/A23 interchange.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 07:22 PM   #19500
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Palmanova is apparently a nice town. It's just south of Udine at the A4/A23 interchange.
Yes, it was a Venetian fortress in the XV century and it's shaped as a star with 9 corners.
Don't forget Aquileia, with its famous Roman ruins. Also Cividale and Grado are nice towns.
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