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Old March 22nd, 2013, 10:45 AM   #19681
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 02:28 PM   #19682
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He is Jovan Deretić, pseudohistorian who has some theories in which Serbs are the oldest nation in the world!
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 02:33 PM   #19683
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 09:10 PM   #19684
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 09:12 PM   #19685
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 09:50 PM   #19686
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how different is Croatian from Serbian language, other than alphabet used?
I have a Croatian workmate and our boss is Serbian. They speak to each other in their our languages and understand each other perfectly.

Btw. Serbian language has an offcial Latin based alphabet as well, and in some parts of the country it is used more as the traditional Cyrillic one.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 10:27 PM   #19687
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 10:35 PM   #19688
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When I was in Germany, at my workplace a Bulgarian girl once threw a little goodbye party as she was relocating to Bologna. A Russian professor came by and asked what was that about:
- I'm going to Bologna for a post-doc.
- Ah, Bologna! Emilia-Romagna! The most communist place in Western Europe!

The girl looked at me, terrified, as she knew I came from Bologna myself.

- Don't worry - I replied. - It's a completely different kind of communism.
http://maps.google.it/maps?q=piazza+...=12,46.14,,1,0

http://maps.google.it/maps?q=Via+Tit...152.39,,1,1.55

http://maps.google.it/maps?q=Via+Tit...90.89,,3,-1.98

Ironically, today the apology of communism is far more accepted in Italy than in the European countries that were communists before 1989. Maybe because we never sufferered from a communist repression (not considering foibe killings and Trieste Yugoslav occupation in 1945). However, since recently, many Italian streets have been named after foibe victims.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 11:22 PM   #19689
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There are Via Tito in Italy?
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 11:26 PM   #19690
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There are Via Tito in Italy?
Parma is in Emilia-Romagna, "the most communist place in Western Europe".
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 11:30 PM   #19691
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There are Via Tito in Italy?
Worse than that...

there is a Via Stalin in a city in Sicilia...

couple cities have streets named after Lenin

Many cities have streets named after Gramsci, the most nefarious of all Western theoretical communists...
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 11:54 PM   #19692
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Parma is in Emilia-Romagna, "the most communist place in Western Europe".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivry-sur-Seine

It has non-stop communist mayors since 1925
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 01:17 AM   #19693
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It has non-stop communist mayors since 1925
That's a small city. Emilia-Romagna has 4.5 million inh. Parma itself has almost 200.000 citizens.
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 02:26 AM   #19694
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Worse than that...

there is a Via Stalin in a city in Sicilia...

couple cities have streets named after Lenin

Many cities have streets named after Gramsci, the most nefarious of all Western theoretical communists...
Gramsci was more an intellectual and, unlikely Eastern Europeans dictators, he never killed or tortured anybody. Itself was prosecuted and imprisoned by fascists.
If I think about an evil Western communist leader, Palmiro Togliatti comes to my mind. He was a close friend of Stalin and after WWII, as leader of the PCI, he wanted to put Italy on the wrong side of the iron curtain. Fortunately they never won the elections and the, although controversial, Christian Democracy managed to keep us living in a democracy. In the 70s also the PCI became more moderate and looked for a cooperation with other Wester communist parties rather than the Soviet Union.
Few people know that after WWII, while 300,000 Italians left Istria, Fiume and Zara, some thousands of Italian workers, PCI voters, went to Yugoslavia, especially to Pula and Rijeka shipyards, to live in the "worker's paradise". In 1948 Tito broke the relationship with Stalin, while the Italian communist party continued to support the Soviet Union instead of Yugoslavia. As revenge, the Titoist regime started imprisoning and torturing those Italian workers.
And Italian media almost never spoke of foibe killings until the 90s because we wanted to avoid diplomatic troubles with our Eastern neighbours. This may explain that Tito street in Italy.
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 02:32 AM   #19695
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It has non-stop communist mayors since 1925
In Italy a mayor can't be elected more than 2 consecutive times (2x5 years). Only exception are small municipalities (<5000ppl) in the autonomous region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, where the limit is 3 times (15 years).
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 02:39 AM   #19696
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there is a Via Stalin in a city in Sicilia...
Here it is.
With all those rundown buildings and unmantained streets it really feel like being in the former Soviet Union .
It's located between Via Roosevelt and Via Churchill.

EDIT: And also Via Mao Tse Tung and Via Ho Chi Min.

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Old March 23rd, 2013, 03:31 AM   #19697
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Gramsci was more an intellectual and, unlikely Eastern Europeans dictators, he never killed or tortured anybody. Itself was prosecuted and imprisoned by fascists.
If I think about an evil Western communist leader, Palmiro Togliatti comes to my mind. He was a close friend of Stalin and after WWII, as leader of the PCI, he wanted to put Italy on the wrong side of the iron curtain. Fortunately they never won the elections and the, although controversial, Christian Democracy managed to keep us living in a democracy. In the 70s also the PCI became more moderate and looked for a cooperation with other Wester communist parties rather than the Soviet Union.
Few people know that after WWII, while 300,000 Italians left Istria, Fiume and Zara, some thousands of Italian workers, PCI voters, went to Yugoslavia, especially to Pula and Rijeka shipyards, to live in the "worker's paradise". In 1948 Tito broke the relationship with Stalin, while the Italian communist party continued to support the Soviet Union instead of Yugoslavia. As revenge, the Titoist regime started imprisoning and torturing those Italian workers.
And Italian media almost never spoke of foibe killings until the 90s because we wanted to avoid diplomatic troubles with our Eastern neighbours. This may explain that Tito street in Italy.

if you insist on that topic...

Every crime against humanity is unexceptable i agree in that point, and we must condemned foibe kilings, or other kilings after WW2 committed by yugoslav communist regime without fair trial, no question about that.
But we also can not forget the crimes that italian soldiers did during WW2 on Slovenian territory.They were occupiers here! They barbed-wire the entire city of Ljubljana and created some sort of prison camp. My grandmothers and grandfathers village was also burned to the ground and italian soldiers killed all men in a village which they can find, also my grand grandfather.
Italian fascist regime systematically italianized slovenian last names, they bannned to speak slovenian in public, they closed all slovenian schools...the final goal was forced assimilation of slovenian people and if that was not possible extermination. From my point of view that was genocide.

So now they are trying to be victims here, that is hilarious.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of...nd_Comradeship

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Old March 23rd, 2013, 03:48 AM   #19698
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if you insist on that topic...

Every crime agains humanity is unexceptable i agree in that point, and we must condemned foibe kilings, or other kilings after WW2 committed by yugoslav communist regime without fair trial, no question about that.
But we also can not forget the crimes that italian soldiers did during WW2 in Slovenian territory.They were occupiers here! They barbed-wire the entire city of Ljubljana and created some sort of prison camp. My grandmothers and grandfathers village was also burned to the ground and italian soldiers killed all men in a village which they can find, also my gradgrandfather.
Italian fascist regime systematically italianized slovenian last names, they bannned to speak slovenian in public, they closed all slovenian schools...the final goal was forced assimilation of slovenian people and if that was not possible extermination. From my point of view that was genocide.

So now they are trying to be victims here, that is hilarious.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of...nd_Comradeship
I know everything about fascist crimes and I hate fascist like everybody who commits crimes against humanity. Off course you've read about the Risiera di San Sabba, Gonars death camp, Narodni Dom on fire, forced italianization and the occupation of Ljubljana, Dalmatia and Montenegro. All terrible crimes against humanity.
But when Tito starded killing Italians in foibe our evil regime was already gone. They took revenge against normal people, also anti-fascists, women and children just because they were Italians. It's called ethnic cleasing.
It's like if Jews decided to kill random German people after WWII as revenge for holocaust.
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 04:00 AM   #19699
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But when Tito starded killing Italians in foibe our evil regime was already gone. They took revenge against normal people, also anti-fascists, women and children just because they were Italians. It's called ethnic cleasing.It's like if Jews decided to kill random German people after WWII as revenge for holocaust.
And execly the same was happening to our children nad women during the WW2. repression and forced assimilation encouraged by italian authorities against slovenians which get under Italy after WW2 (about 150.000) was strong up to the present day.
Last couple of years are better, i think that i has something to do with meeting of all three presidents (Italian, Croatian, Slovenian). But there is a lot to be done for our slovenian minority in your country


Like i said:

Every crime against humanity is unexceptable i agree in that point, and we must condemned foibe kilings, or other kilings after WW2 committed by yugoslav communist regime without fair trial, no question about that.

But in the other hand we must not forget who started the war!

over and out

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No, but everyone else did.
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