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Old October 12th, 2011, 01:48 AM   #261
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Old October 12th, 2011, 02:17 AM   #262
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Lol you wanna debate about this? There's not even a render! Everything is based on bought air rights! What's the point in moving it to the supertalls section?
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Old October 12th, 2011, 06:11 AM   #263
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This is New York though... Supertall proposals NEVER go through, any building higher than 1000 feet is out of the question, I wish more people would see that, these massive proposed supertalls will all be shortened I think.

Sorry to be so negative, I'm just trying to be realistic. Let's hope I'm wrong though.

The proposed super high in New York will never happen? So 1WTC and One 57 is an illusion?

From what we're seeing, 440 Park Place (The Drake) will very possibly more than 300 meters. The 225W57 has air rights above the 57 Carnegie, and Extell is a serious company, and not spend money for nothing to not build the maximum height.

Sooner or later, will be built 15 Penn Plaza, 2 WTC and 3 WTC, among other projects such as The Hudson Yards. Out other projects that do not even know it exists.

We will build. Like the One 57: In one day, everything was just speculation, the other day, this building was going up.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 11:00 PM   #264
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Yeah I don't get why people are saying NY doesn't have supertalls going up. No other city in the world (except Dubai) can claim as many existing, under construction, approved, and seriously proposed supertalls as NYC can.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #265
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But it makes no sense to build a 300million $ platform over the tracks, just for the sake to build a skyscraper. And another platform for 700 million$. (Imho) They will go to the maximum they can, they have the chance here, since this area doesn't have an issue with air rights and zonings.

I have trust in this cities ambition. See what they do in LIC, they build a whole new skyline, a city within a city.
NYC does not have ambition in the same way that a Dubai or shanghai has. NYC has nothing to do with these developments. These are private ventures that depend on the economy and tenant availability alone. NYC is not trying to build anything, so please stop trying to make out that this is some kind of collective City plan or project to build icons for prestige or to show NYCs might.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 12:35 AM   #266
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NYC doesnt need to show its might. NYC is a more powerful city than dubai and shanghai combined times three.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 12:51 AM   #267
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Old October 13th, 2011, 10:40 PM   #268
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They say that both office towers will have 2 million sqft. Now I dunno how tall they will be but according to this they should be twins, or at least have an equal volume.
Kanto, as you know, the BUA of a building is a combination of the floor-plate size and the number of floors. Two buildings can have the same BUA but different heights if they have different floor-plates.

A typical office floor plate ranges from 25-50,000 SF (gross). So a 2 Million SF (net) building could have as many as 80 floors, which means 320-340 m, depending on the floor-to-floor heights.

That said, as a few people have mentioned, New York is not the kind of market where a developer would leave money on the table by not maximizing the BUA that he builds, especially when there is an extra capital expense in the form of the deck needed to convert the air rights into buildable space.

I would guess that the best option would be to go with a smaller tower first if it is being built without significant pre-leasing and bring in a bigger tower later to mop all the available FAR once the market has recovered and the project has developed some momentum.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #269
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Developer Brookfield Properties announced in April that it's finally planning to move forward with Manhattan West, the Hudson Yards-neighboring stretch between 31st and 33rd streets and Ninth and Dyer avenues. The first elements of the site: a deck over the rail yards, plus a two-million-square-foot SOM-designed office tower, with two more potential towers to come. Now we know all these plans are real—there's signage!

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Old October 17th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #270
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So they are going to build a 371m tower? or a smaller one?
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Old October 18th, 2011, 01:26 AM   #271
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We don't know.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 01:28 AM   #272
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Its hard to judge from a picture but it looks like it has lost height. Although i wilo still stick with robert and say they havent taken any away.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 01:33 AM   #273
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So they are going to build a 371m tower? or a smaller one?
As per the following comments from Brookfield, nothing with respect to the individual towers is set in stone.

They have 5.4m sf to build, and the allocation of that space will depend on the tenants' needs.



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/re...ric-clark.html

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The 30-Minute Interview: Ric ClarkBy VIVIAN MARINO
Published: August 26, 2011

Mr. Clark, 53, is the chief executive of Brookfield Office Properties, a real estate investment trust that owns and operates roughly 18 million square feet of office space in the New York area, including the World Financial Center buildings downtown. Work on its newest development, Manhattan West, near the Hudson Yards, is set to begin early next year.


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Interview conducted and condensed by

VIVIAN MARINO

Q What’s the status of the Manhattan West project near Hudson Yards?

A We’re launching our deck in January, and expect our first tower, which could be the North or South Tower, depending on tenant demand, will be ready for tenants to take occupancy in late 2015. A lot of it is going to depend on tenant demand, but at its earliest it all could be done by 2017.

Q Tell me about the project.

A There are four structures on our site. Along Ninth Avenue there will be two roughly 2 million-square-foot buildings. On the southwest part of the site, we’ll have another building of about a million square feet, which could be office, residential, or have a retail component. And there’s a fourth, smaller building, which will be retail or office....

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Old October 18th, 2011, 02:32 AM   #274
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So they're twin towers now. And the design has changed slightly. These buildings don't look half as good as they use to.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 04:24 AM   #275
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If these bastards do not build a building with more than 370 meters, will be a failure! They might well have placed these two smaller towers along with this higher, to achieve these damn 370 meters!
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kinda dissapointing (about the height), but let's wait and see how it goes,, maybe something good will happen.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 06:13 AM   #277
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The height might be a let down. Unless they both are supertalls. I'd be fine with two, thousand footers.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 07:05 AM   #278
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The height might be a let down. Unless they both are supertalls. I'd be fine with two, thousand footers.
Yes I'm sure people at Brookfield properties would be relieved to see that you're fine with it...much awaited response


Besides, coming back to topic....one supertall < two supertalls!
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Old October 18th, 2011, 10:11 AM   #279
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nobody ask you and I was on topic.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 11:15 PM   #280
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I honestly don't blame them if they just felt like taking it safe.
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