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Old October 14th, 2013, 03:21 AM   #921
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Old October 14th, 2013, 01:21 PM   #922
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Those girders must be quite heavy.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 01:29 PM   #923
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I doubt that these will rise any time soon. Brookfield will need a tenant seeking at least 1m sf to start a 2.m sf tower or two to three tenants seeking at least that much in total. I could see 15 Penn being revived before this rises.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 05:25 PM   #924
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I doubt that these will rise any time soon. Brookfield will need a tenant seeking at least 1m sf to start a 2.m sf tower or two to three tenants seeking at least that much in total. I could see 15 Penn being revived before this rises.
You and are going to butt heads on this. Lol

I have to respectfully disagree! Brookfield is one of the largest landlord in the city & nation. They have the ability to give an inside track to many of the companies they lease that are planning to relocate, plus what I think is a great selling point is 450 W 33rd. With that building, they can lease a prospective anchor for one of the bigger towers the needed 1 m sf enough to build and lease the remaining 500 k sq ft at a discount @ 450 should a tenant require 1.5 m sf. A large company will have good savings by doing this while being in same complex.

That IMO gives Brookfield the advantage over 3 Hudson blvd.

Brookfield #1 priority is to lease up Brookfield Place downtown and I believe they have had success. Once they are complete with that, they will turn their efforts solely for Manhattan West .
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Old October 14th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #925
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Brookfield has way over a million sf of vacant space at the WFC which costs less than half of what it seeks at MW. This will be built but not for a long time.

3 HY is much easier to lease, as one 500k sf deal is all that it needs. There are a lot more tenants seeking 500k than 1m. Also, Moinian could be more flexible on the price since he will have revenue from residential. Lastly, a spot on Hudson Blvd -- next to the new station -- is much nicer than the Holland Tunnel's anus.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #926
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Brookfield has way over a million sf of vacant space at the WFC which costs less than half of what it seeks at MW. This will be built but not for a long time. 3 HY is much easier to lease, as one 500k sf deal is all that it needs. There are a lot more tenants seeking 500k than 1m. Also, Moinian could be more flexible on the price since he will have revenue from residential. Lastly, a spot on Hudson Blvd -- next to the new station -- is much nicer than the Holland Tunnel's anus.
Lol! You have a good point!
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Old October 14th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #927
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You and are going to butt heads on this. Lol

I have to respectfully disagree! Brookfield is one of the largest landlord in the city & nation. They have the ability to give an inside track to many of the companies they lease that are planning to relocate, plus what I think is a great selling point is 450 W 33rd. With that building, they can lease a prospective anchor for one of the bigger towers the needed 1 m sf enough to build and lease the remaining 500 k sq ft at a discount @ 450 should a tenant require 1.5 m sf. A large company will have good savings by doing this while being in same complex.

That IMO gives Brookfield the advantage over 3 Hudson blvd.

Brookfield #1 priority is to lease up Brookfield Place downtown and I believe they have had success. Once they are complete with that, they will turn their efforts solely for Manhattan West .
Brookfield is a heavyweight respected developer, they have built many towers in London, they will build this too. When I came on this section I was happy to see so many new towers in New York, but after reading the threads, many of them haven't started, hopfully next year will see many supertall cores rising in new york
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Brookfield is a heavyweight respected developer, they have built many towers in London, they will build this too. When I came on this section I was happy to see so many new towers in New York, but after reading the threads, many of them haven't started, hopfully next year will see many supertall cores rising in new york
4 are under construction with another 4 to start immediate construction. New York is doing well. No other western city in a highly developed country can claim that.

As for this development, I hope we will see at least two supertalls rise here.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #929
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4 are under construction with another 4 to start immediate construction. New York is doing well. No other western city in a highly developed country can claim that.

As for this development, I hope we will see at least two supertalls rise here.
That's great then, kudos new york
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Old October 17th, 2013, 01:11 AM   #931
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Due in part to "The Monolith" (450 West 34th Street, the squat building) it does seem that these Manhattan West buildings are a bit on "the wrong side of the tracks". But that's just from a Hudson Yards-centric point of view. They're still just a few blocks from MSG, the old post office, etc.

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Old October 17th, 2013, 02:47 AM   #932
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3 tall tower on that site. There is no way any of those towers will be wide. Just not enough space plus there will be a plaza splitting towers a North and South. The only way to maximize those towers sq ft is height!
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Old October 17th, 2013, 04:26 AM   #933
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Old October 17th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #934
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Great photo

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Due in part to "The Monolith" (450 West 34th Street, the squat building) it does seem that these Manhattan West buildings are a bit on "the wrong side of the tracks". But that's just from a Hudson Yards-centric point of view. They're still just a few blocks from MSG, the old post office, etc.

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Yes, that's a great photo. You can see that apparently part of 31st is supported by a viaduct.

I've read numerous criticisms of "The monolith" but I only learnt yesterday that it's considered "Brutalist" architecture. And it originally opened as the Westyard Distribution Center.

Here's another, pre serious Hudson Yards construction, photo that shows the old Pennsylvania RailRoad pit and how it's across 9th Ave from Farley Post Office complex and just one Avenue from MSG & Penn Station/Plaza complex.



"Looking east from the roof of the Ohm apt. building at 30th Street" photo from interesting article by Annik: http://www.livinthehighline.com/2013...bution-center/
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Yes, that's a great photo. You can see that apparently part of 31st is supported by a viaduct.

I've read numerous criticisms of "The monolith" but I only learnt yesterday that it's considered "Brutalist" architecture. And it originally opened as the Westyard Distribution Center.
It's not really Brutalist, or at least a poor example of the architectural style (not in terms of attractiveness--all Brutalist architecture is aggressively ugly--but in terms of style). Look up Boston City Hall or the Chandigarh Secretariat Building for a more classic example of Brutalism.

450 W 34th is just an ugly concrete building of no particular architectural pedigree that people have called Brutalist in retrospect because it's made of concrete and was built around the time Brutalism was popular.
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It's not really Brutalist, or at least a poor example of the architectural style (not in terms of attractiveness--all Brutalist architecture is aggressively ugly--but in terms of style). Look up Boston City Hall or the Chandigarh Secretariat Building for a more classic example of Brutalism.

450 W 34th is just an ugly concrete building of no particular architectural pedigree that people have called Brutalist in retrospect because it's made of concrete and was built around the time Brutalism was popular.
It is a product of the '60s as is MSG.

I call it the AP building, to connect it to NYC's still-prominent role in worldwide media. And it's the HQ of NYC's The Daily News & WNET...
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Aerial of McDs & LIRR substation/control tower

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Yes, it does. The big "flag on a pole" billboard supported by the massive column is a handy marker for it on the photo left side, ~ third way up from bottom. I assume the photo credit belongs to Annik LaFarge, who is the blogger for that column & the author of a book on the HighLine.

I was trying to figure out the date of the shot in her 6/2013 article and finally looked in the EXIF. Photo is from 7/11/2012: the West Side Yard/Hudson Yards and the Manhattan West pit have changed significantly. The High Line spur in the bottom right has had it's vegetation & concrete wear level removed & it's concrete deck rehabbed.

Photo also has a good angle on the LIRR worker bridge over the tracks, a structure that will have to be removed when they remove the vehicle ramp down from 10th Ave (for the Amtrak tunnel box) AND the 2nd story from the LIRR control tower (when they build the Hudson Yards platform to the NE corner).

I had not thought about the McDs when I walked past it two weeks ago, but a drive-thru McD's in that area will probably be quite an anachronism in a couple of years, IF it survives that long. Large parking lot, quite convenient for the cabbies now...
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It appears that Related has at least 1 large tenant for One Hudson Yards ands is lining up tenants for the McD's site, in which case Brookfield will not be securing tenants any time soon.
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One Hudson BOULEVARD

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It appears that Related has at least 1 large tenant for One Hudson Yards ands is lining up tenants for the McD's site, in which case Brookfield will not be securing tenants any time soon.
Just to nitpick, One Hudson Boulevard is more descriptive, since the building is not in or on top of the West Side Yards/Hudson Yards.

Back to the Manhattan West topic: so it sounds like Brookfield will have the overbuild platform covering up the historic Pennsylvania RR/NY Penn Station pit for some time before they start building on top of their platform, correct?

Or they could build residential??
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