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Old October 25th, 2013, 11:15 PM   #941
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They're constructing the next part of the crane on the site now. Progress!

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Old October 25th, 2013, 11:20 PM   #942
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It's not really Brutalist, or at least a poor example of the architectural style (not in terms of attractiveness--all Brutalist architecture is aggressively ugly--but in terms of style). Look up Boston City Hall or the Chandigarh Secretariat Building for a more classic example of Brutalism.

450 W 34th is just an ugly concrete building of no particular architectural pedigree that people have called Brutalist in retrospect because it's made of concrete and was built around the time Brutalism was popular.
Nonsense. Brutalist architecture can be stunning and not ugly at all. Check out some examples in london like the south bank theatre and the barbican.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 11:22 PM   #943
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Nonsense. Brutalist architecture can be stunning and not ugly at all. Check out some examples in london like the south bank theatre and the barbican.
I've seen both in person. They are ugly. Not mind-blowingly ugly, perhaps, like Boston City Hall, but still ugly. And in a you-can't-really-have-a-legitimately-differing-opinion kind of way. If the vast majority of the public hates them (and be sure the vast majority of London hates the Barbican--not heard much public opinion on South Bank Theatre, but I'm sure it's similar), they are indisputably ugly.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:58 AM   #944
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I've seen both in person. They are ugly. Not mind-blowingly ugly, perhaps, like Boston City Hall, but still ugly. And in a you-can't-really-have-a-legitimately-differing-opinion kind of way. If the vast majority of the public hates them (and be sure the vast majority of London hates the Barbican--not heard much public opinion on South Bank Theatre, but I'm sure it's similar), they are indisputably ugly.
I don't care what the majority thinks. There is a certain stark beauty to some brutalist buildings and they are an acquired taste. I can have a differing opinion if I want, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, cliche but true, no matter what the majority thinks.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 02:03 AM   #945
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I'm a fan of brutalism; I love architectural concrete and geometric forms, but this building I have never liked. I would prefer a reclad.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #946
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Thanks for the discussion on brutalism...

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I'm a fan of brutalism; I love architectural concrete and geometric forms, but this building I have never liked. I would prefer a reclad.
Thanks for the discussion on brutalism and late '60s & '70s concrete buildings. I occasionally visit this area AND I graduated from a SUNY campus that has a lot of similar concrete structures. Some with nice views from the weird windows...

Anyway, we will have an across the street modern contrast to the AP building (maybe with a re-clad) in 2015 when the South/Coach tower opens and it will be discussed further.

Anyway, this NYyimby blog entry discusses Manhattan West project and states the platform should be complete sometime in 2015. And the author speculates that "the platform could sit vacant for several years before construction ultimately begins."

http://newyorkyimby.com/2013/10/cons...ttan-west.html

The NYyimby entry also has a photo of the north end of the launcher, with the Brutalist-type? AP bldg on right Looks like the upper floors are cantilevered over the lower floors, which are built over the Amtrak/LIRR tracks & tunnels below.


Photo YIMBY reader Michael.

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Old November 5th, 2013, 08:08 PM   #947
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Well this is exciting! I do believe that's a piece of the platform!

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Old November 5th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #948
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I don't belive that 2 skyscrapers can stand on this
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Old November 5th, 2013, 09:19 PM   #949
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I don't belive that 2 skyscrapers can stand on this
They won't, all the load bearing stuff is just to the side of the tracks, it is basically cantilevering over the trains.

I wish we had a construction animation for the e-tower because that one really is over the tracks.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #950
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Yes, that is exactly a piece of the platform. So small, but still so massive.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #951
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First platform piece: neat!

Good to see the first piece of a "plank".

Obviously large enough inside for workers, inspection & utilities.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 04:47 AM   #953
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According to the YouTube video, they have 640 of these concrete sections to install (40 per bridge, and 16 bridges). They weigh 56 tons each.
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According to the YouTube video, they have 640 of these concrete sections to install (40 per bridge, and 16 bridges). They weigh 56 tons each.
You want to avoid dropping any piece on your foot.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 04:27 AM   #955
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Old November 21st, 2013, 06:54 PM   #956
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mkeit at SSP gave this interesting information:

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Some details of the deck-162 m x 74 m. Launch Girder-75 m.
There will be 16 Spans made up of 612 segments (10 x 39 and 6 x37) -each segment weighs about 55 tons. Spans will average 2200 tons. The spans will be placed during 2-hour windows on Sunday mornings when train traffic will be stopped.
The straddle carrier (the yellow, rubber-tired gantry) will move segments to a trolley (on rails) that will move them under the Launch Girder. They will be picked up and assembled into spans on the temporary platform over the tracks erected just east of Dyer Ave. Small screw jacks (painted red, yellow and green-DEAL is Italian) will be used to align the segments prior to post-tensioning.
All of the equipment is on site. The crews have been practicing moving one segment.
As of this morning, there are now 5 span segments on site. So I think they might be about ready to start real assembly!

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Old November 21st, 2013, 07:13 PM   #957
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Nice! As with 15 Penn and 2 WTC, These office towers should start rising in 10 years when there's demand. In the meantime, we'll get residential and retail on the site.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 11:23 PM   #958
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I'm a fan of brutalism; I love architectural concrete and geometric forms, but this building I have never liked. I would prefer a reclad.
If they reclad, they better do a better job than Guy's Hospital beside the Shard in London. That modern reclad is absolutely horrible!
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That concrete building needs a bulldozer, not a reclad or renovation! It is a complete eyesore and ruins the area. The only reason for it is that it spans over the trains, but a far better design can be built there, with ground-floor retail!
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That concrete building needs a bulldozer, not a reclad or renovation! It is a complete eyesore and ruins the area. The only reason for it is that it spans over the trains, but a far better design can be built there, with ground-floor retail!
As has been mentioned on this thread before, the appeal of this building, hideous as it is, is the 100k+ sq ft continuous floor plate. It's one of only 8 buildings in the city where that option is available. I'm curious how much space is currently unoccupied.
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