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Old June 19th, 2014, 10:28 PM   #1361
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Isn't Google looking at 450 W 33rd -- not the new towers?
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Old June 21st, 2014, 09:43 PM   #1362
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Isn't Google looking at 450 W 33rd -- not the new towers?
Probably. They were courted heavily to go into the new Transbay Tower in San Francisco but backed away and Salesforce.com signed the lease. Google seems to prefer big clunky old buildings.


BTW 450 W. 33rd St. is being rebranded as 5 Manhattan West:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/cpexecutive/


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Old June 21st, 2014, 09:53 PM   #1363
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Or do they just need (or prefer) large work floors?
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Old June 21st, 2014, 09:55 PM   #1364
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Sure, big floorplates that lend themselves to Google's ideal collaborative work environment.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 11:56 AM   #1365
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Google like crazy fit-outs, totally different from traditional companies. Just google 'google offices' images. A new modern building might therefore not fit to their taste of buildings or their usual kind of fit-out might not be possible at all in a new modern high-rise.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 07:41 PM   #1366
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So do we think this is simply referring to the "breezeway to High Line," or will the renovation of 450 W. 33rd actually allow pedestrians to go through the building?
That article is poorly written and has factual errors.

I think the reality will be that breezeway on the south side of the building, leading to a podium at the SW corner of 450 W33rd.

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The five-acre project includes a two-acre east-west central plaza that'll continue the pedestrian walkway that will run west from Madison Square Garden, through Moynihan Station,
"Moynihan Station" is currently in Phase I, which is a significant expansion of the Penn Station West End Concourse. The WEC is under the east sidewalk & steps of the Farley Post Office: Moynihan Station does NOT physically exist yet. Amtrak recently repeated an August 2016 completion date for Phase I.

In a possible "following future" that involves REAL $$($1B+), Farley might be converted to Moynihan Station (Phase II), which might have a passageway through it:
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Following future negotiations, Amtrak plans to relocate its operations from Penn Station to Moynihan Station when Phase II is fully funded and completed. “Phase II will be turning the Farley Building into a station with better passenger flow in which every entrance will feed into the new station,” said Marty Mack. “This is very exciting and a real challenge, but the final product of getting a new station will be worth it. This is one of the busiest locations in the system and ithas taken a great amount of collaboration from Amtrak’s Transportation, Operations and Engineering departments as well as general contractor Skanska, Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and Moynihan Station Development Corporation,” added Mack.
-from the June 2014 issue of Amtrak Ink.

If the bucks are found for Phase II & the various government agencies continue to play well together, I'm GUESSING NYC might get a real "Moynihan Station"w/passageway in the 2020s.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 11:27 PM   #1367
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 08:56 AM   #1368
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Somebody mentioned here that the work continues. I did not see that. No span has been placed towards eastern side of the site in months.







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Old June 24th, 2014, 06:25 PM   #1369
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[QUOTE=ILNY;115112350]Somebody mentioned here that the work continues. I did not see that. No span has been placed towards eastern side of the site in months.


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Thanks for the report & the photos.

That's a nice diagram (looking NW) of the MW platform construction.

Regarding your report & ALL the building construction (lots & lots) ongoing in NYC & across the Hudson in Jersey City, RE bubble comes to mind...
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Old June 24th, 2014, 06:39 PM   #1370
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That article is poorly written and has factual errors.
Thanks for the clarifying info, Sol! The Moynihan Station project is definitely the big west side development I know the least about, so it's good to hear the concise version. Here's hoping they do manage to accrue the necessary funds to make the Farley conversion happen. I imagine once Manhattan West and the other big projects in the Yards have started opening for business, creating a new flood of pedestrian traffic, it will be a much easier pill to swallow... so your 2020s target makes a lot of sense.
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Old June 24th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #1371
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Thanks for the clarifying info, Sol! The Moynihan Station project is definitely the big west side development I know the least about, so it's good to hear the concise version. Here's hoping they do manage to accrue the necessary funds to make the Farley conversion happen. I imagine once Manhattan West and the other big projects in the Yards have started opening for business, creating a new flood of pedestrian traffic, it will be a much easier pill to swallow... so your 2020s target makes a lot of sense.
Thank you. The plans and dreams for an improved "Penn Station" are many.


The June 2014 Amtrak Ink article on the West End Concourse under Farley PO (Moynihan Phase I) makes mention of the adjacent or nearby far west side developments:

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Moynihan Station Phase I will address this problem by expanding Penn Station’s platform egress to the west. Access to the west will become increasingly important as major development proceeds at Hudson Yards, west of Penn Station, and other development sites in the Hudson Yards area.
Twenty-three million square feet of development is planned or under construction on Manhattan’s Far West Sideover the coming decade.
http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/400/247/...-June-2014.pdf

We'll see how the current Phase I goes in the next two years. In general, Amtrak, the MTA (a NY State agency), NYC and the developers seem to be playing well together currently.

If you look at the SE corner of the MW platform diagram captured by ILNY you can see that it preserves the fanout of the tracks from the Hudson River & Empire Connection tunnels to the current southern bowels of Penn Station and, I ASSUME, Amtrak's VISION of a Penn Station SOUTH.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #1372
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Somebody mentioned here that the work continues. I did not see that. No span has been placed towards eastern side of the site in months.
they are working West to East over the tracks, the fifth beam was was placed on June 1st, three weeks ago. 6th beam is assembled and ready to be placed almost any day. Parts for seventh beam are being assembled. Not sure what you mean. The site is very active.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 11:52 PM   #1373
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Old June 26th, 2014, 06:30 PM   #1374
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Sixth Beam is now in place...must have happened on Sunday as it wasn't there on Saturday. 10 more to go.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 01:21 AM   #1375
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If the bucks are found for Phase II & the various government agencies continue to play well together, I'm GUESSING NYC might get a real "Moynihan Station"w/passageway in the 2020s.
Funny enough, this just got one step closer to happening! Per Crain's:

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In the latest hint of progress, the board of the state's chief economic development arm voted unanimously Friday afternoon to award the contract to sell 1.5 million square feet of the future station's unused air rights. Those sales are expected to someday yield well over $100 million dollars, funds that could help defray some of the costs of constructing the new station.

After receiving nine responses to its earlier request for proposals, and then narrowing the field down to five, New York state's Empire State Development awarded the sales contract to Manhattan-based Massey Knakal Realty Services. In the near term the firm will provide advice to the Empire State Development Corp. as it wrestles with questions as to how far away from Moynihan the rights may be used. The sales of those rights is expected over a number of years.
One has to wonder, if Brookfield haven't started construction by the time the air rights go on sale, whether they might buy some rights to make their towers even taller.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 03:37 AM   #1376
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It's going to require patience but if those who can make it happen continue to act in a sensible way by the early 2020's as the West Side has taken off this will need to then be realized for practical reasons. Steady progress may be dull but is needed to get things done... just laying the foundations will make the realization a lot easier and a lot sooner than later. Commitment, dedication and progress on all fronts is required, though.
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 05:54 PM   #1377
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It's going to require patience but if those who can make it happen continue to act in a sensible way by the early 2020's as the West Side has taken off this will need to then be realized for practical reasons. Steady progress may be dull but is needed to get things done... just laying the foundations will make the realization a lot easier and a lot sooner than later. Commitment, dedication and progress on all fronts is required, though.
Yah, true that. I can imagine an attractive far west side midtown in the future with the aid of reality such as this 7/1/2014 NYguy photo. Hudson Yards, 450 W. 33rd starting reno, 2 Penn Plaza, etc.:



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Old July 2nd, 2014, 11:39 PM   #1378
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Pictures from today's NYTimes article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/03/ny...=nyregion&_r=0




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Old July 3rd, 2014, 01:57 PM   #1379
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they are working West to East over the tracks, the fifth beam was was placed on June 1st, three weeks ago. 6th beam is assembled and ready to be placed almost any day. Parts for seventh beam are being assembled. Not sure what you mean. The site is very active.
Looks like they are still building the walls on which the beams will sit. So they cannot be placed yet.
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Old July 3rd, 2014, 03:31 PM   #1380
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Looks like they are still building the walls on which the beams will sit. So they cannot be placed yet.
Good description.

Also nice, high-resolution photos from Chang W. Lee/NY Times. The current NYT HQ tower is prominently visible in the background behind the the large red building on the north (left) side of the Penn Station "bathtub"
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