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Old February 13th, 2015, 02:14 AM   #1641
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I am starting to WORRY about the future of this area when the dump-era becomes a thing of the past!...


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Interestingly, this area is chock full of stunning old buildings, and therefore, could be transformed in ten years time into quite a nice place if the patches of heinous mierda, like I posted, are eliminated, and the old gems, which currently are neglected, are restored.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 02:02 PM   #1642
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Old February 13th, 2015, 10:24 PM   #1643
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Looking SW from the NE corner of 33rd & 8th.

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I would not mind seeing something like the Illinois mile high tower rising out of the center of that old Neoclassical building on the left. I think it would be a stunning combination and a good use of both spaces. And the roof of the Neoclassical building could be a plaza for the tower rising above it.

I think old cities like New York, and in Europe, should have classic architecture at street level, with modern skyscrapers rising above, literally rising "out of" the classic facades. When walking the streets of a city, classic architecture is far more appealing, since it is near your eye and you can admire the details. While from a far, modern tall skyscrapers make for a more inspiring skyline. In my opinion fusing the two would make a more beautiful and livable city, than separating them into modern vs. classic clusters.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 10:17 PM   #1644
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I would not mind seeing something like the Illinois mile high tower rising out of the center of that old Neoclassical building on the left. I think it would be a stunning combination and a good use of both spaces. And the roof of the Neoclassical building could be a plaza for the tower rising above it.

I think old cities like New York, and in Europe, should have classic architecture at street level, with modern skyscrapers rising above, literally rising "out of" the classic facades. When walking the streets of a city, classic architecture is far more appealing, since it is near your eye and you can admire the details. While from a far, modern tall skyscrapers make for a more inspiring skyline. In my opinion fusing the two would make a more beautiful and livable city, than separating them into modern vs. classic clusters.
That old Neoclassical building (the Farley Post Office) is an overbuild atop the century+ old Pennsylvania RR (now owned by Amtrak) Penn Station tracks. Some of the actual passenger platforms actually extend under the PO (possible future Moynihan Station). NY Penn station is already above capacity so I doubt there is room for any Skyscraper to be built above/through the Farley PO.

The American Experience video youtubed below shows some of what happens under the Farley PO. Penn Station Central control is a newish building across the streets from the SW corner of the Farley PO, IIRC. The daylight shown in this year old video has now been blocked by the MW plaza's giant, hollow, concrete planks, which also support a parking garage above those tracks:

Looking west under the Farley PO, main daylight has now been blocked by MW, daylight in distance upper left will be blocked by the Hudson Yards overbuild above the LIRR storage yard. NJTransit train is headed west & down into one of the Hudson River tunnels. These tunnels were flooded by SuperStorm Sandy in 2012.

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Half a million people pass through New York City's Penn Station every day. During rush hour, a train arrives at a platform every 58 seconds. Phil Kaplan has worked for Amtrak for 37 years, and he takes us for an unusual behind the scenes look at the Central Control room.

Created in conjunction with The Rise and Fall of Penn Station, premiering on PBS American Experience February 18, 2014.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 11:17 PM   #1645
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That isn't Neo-Classical it's Beaux-Arts!
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Old February 15th, 2015, 12:05 AM   #1646
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That isn't Neo-Classical it's Beaux-Arts!
Beaux-Arts is a French subset of Neoclassical if Wikipedia is to believed. So you're both correct.
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I regard Penn as Neoclassical.

The Surrogates Court is pure Beaux Artes.

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Old February 15th, 2015, 03:27 AM   #1648
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Beaux-Arts is a French subset of Neoclassical if Wikipedia is to believed. So you're both correct.
Thanks for that info.

In any case "they" will not be building a skyscraper atop/through the Farley Post Office anytime soon, due to the tracks/switching below. In addition, Guv. Cuomo proposed bringing Metro-North through the eastern Bronx & connecting this new branch to Penn Station. This would mean even more train traffic into Penn from the west side, this time through the Empire Connection tunnel that ALSO underlies Hudson Yards/LIRR's West Side Storage Yard.

AFAIK, the Manhattan West complex will also have ventilation facilities for the now covered tracks.
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Old February 28th, 2015, 08:21 AM   #1649
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the renovation of 450 w 33rd aka 5 Manhattan West is well underway. Does it warrant a new thread?

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Old February 28th, 2015, 08:24 AM   #1650
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I would love to see it have its own thread, but I'm not in charge.
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Old March 2nd, 2015, 10:59 PM   #1652
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I would love to see it have its own thread, but I'm not in charge.
You can make a thread and if it's well done I don't think the mods would mind at all. Just don't put in the Supertalls section.
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I don't think it i s worthed a thread for that building alone. It is easier just to watch the updates for the whole complex here.
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Supposedly, Fried Frank, a huge law firm, is considering moving here. I hope not. I'd rather see them anchor another new tower!

Then again, supposedly, their lease isn't up until 2024, but Brookfield is their landlord and will let them out early.
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Supposedly, Fried Frank, a huge law firm, is considering moving here. I hope not. I'd rather see them anchor another new tower!

Then again, supposedly, their lease isn't up until 2024, but Brookfield is their landlord and will let them out early.
Couldn't Fried Frank anchor the other Manhattan West tower in order to get them both off the ground?
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their lease isn't up until 2024, but Brookfield is their landlord and will let them out early.
That is Brookfield's secret weapon as being one of the largest office landlords in the country.
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Couldn't Fried Frank anchor the other Manhattan West tower in order to get them both off the ground?
Possibly. Obviously that would be ideal & praying that would be the case.

If Fried Frank (400k sf) chooses to lease in the same tower as Skadden Arps (800k sf), potentially 1.2 msf would be filled out of 2msf which wouldn't be bad either.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 03:52 AM   #1658
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yea boy!!! I agree though, I hope Fried Frank ultimately chooses another Hudson Yards Tower such as 50 HY or 3 HB but that wouldn't happen until 2024 unless it's with Brookfield!!

If they want a shiny new gigs now...Brookfield is the way to go.
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1 MW is U/C (see rebar)! Another supertall for New York!
(Verre is also U/C (see CTBUH and pics) and should be moved!)

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