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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:20 AM   #2201
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Just to add something in my proposal..

State Governments:
- the state parliament will make laws appropriate for their state.
- the state government is autonomous from the federal government.
- even if the state has its own laws for its citizens, they will have to follow laws made by the federal parliament.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 09:28 AM   #2202
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[B]FOURTEENTH CONGRESS OF THE REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES


(F) The State of Eastern Visayas.

The State of Eastern Visayas shall comprise the provinces of Biliran, Leyte, Southern Leyte, Northern Samar, Samar and Eastern Samar and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Catbalogan City shall be the capital of the State.

hinde Tacloban City? o typo lang?
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Old April 27th, 2008, 09:37 AM   #2203
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Kung itong baselines bill ay noon pa inasikaso ng mga senatongs natin. Ngayon lang pinagtatalunan kung kelan malapit na ang deadline. They have been too busy conducting moro-moro hearings that they cannot even attend to something of this importance. Paano kung may makitang oil sa Spratlys? Huli na naman tayo dahil walang ginawa ang mga pulitiko natin kundi magpa-cute sa media.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 10:26 AM   #2204
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mas malakas ata ang Samar kesa sa Leyte
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Old April 27th, 2008, 11:02 AM   #2205
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hmm,. parang mas magandang set-up to,.
well represented ang mga tao sa congress at tsaka may limit per state,. tama po ba?!,.
tska, ang panget nung sistema ng popular vote para sakin eh,.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 11:05 AM   #2206
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Meanwhile, an interesting insight on why Pimentel and the Senate all so suddenly changed positions regarding the charter change comes to light, courtesy of political pundit Mon Casiple:

“When Malacañang drumbeaters flew a trial balloon on another round of charter change a few weeks ago, it basically signaled the exploration, if not a serious attempt, at initiating the process. Of course, this will certainly be within the context of term extension.

However, a few were puzzled when Senator Pimentel launched a charter change initiative–ostensibly for federalism–just a few days ago. Just as swiftly, Secretary Bunyi announced that the Palace has no plans for charter change at this time.

The Pimentel move is supported by 10 senators, including Senate President Manny Villar. What gives? The logical suspicion–given the consistent anti-cha-cha position of most senators is that it is a gambit essentially to preempt a reportedly serious Palace decision to launch a charter change initiative in the few months remains before the 2010 election fever sets it. It is a political thrust designed to control the tempo on the issue and prevent it from endangering the 2010 elections…”


Still, whatever the underlying reasons are for this sudden change of heart among the senators, a majority of the provinces eager to get away from the clutches of Imperial Manila welcome the Senate initiative.

Let us support the move for a Federal Republic of the Philippines.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 11:55 AM   #2207
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Its impossible for S. Luzon to include the visayan islands of marinduque and mindoro.
Marinduque, Mindoro, along with the provinces of Palawan and Romblon make up the Mimaropa region which is currently part of Luzon, fyi.

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Oh I see, I was busy concentrating on the example of the new proposal to join Masbate to Central Visayas when Masbate is not Cebuano speaking, it will cause resentment in Masbate; perhaps another example is the new Iraq cannot get its act together cos of 3 different groups – Kurds, Shi’a, Sunni being forced into one “nation”. I was unaware we reached as high as 80 diverse groups; what had always played out in my mind were the 12-15 groups based on tongues.
A significant number of people in Masbate speak Cebuano, right?
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Old April 27th, 2008, 12:41 PM   #2208
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tagal ko na hindi nanonood ng news., nagulat naman ako dito., hope it pushes through. we're gonna be called the Federal Republic of the Philippines., nax ang sossy.,
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Old April 27th, 2008, 01:11 PM   #2209
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We really need to decentralize our government to decongest Metro Manila. If all of the regions will work for themselves, maybe they could create bigger metropolis than Metro Manila kasi una kailangan nila yan upang manatiling buhay (attracting investors and the result will be the decongestion of Metro Manila) at pangalawa upang matutunan ng mga rehiyon ang tumayo sa sariling paa hindi yung umaasa lagi sa Manila.

Yun nga lang, kung gusto ng isa ng death penalty, sige, kung ayaw ng isa, e di huwag. Kanya-kanya kumbaga pero hindi ba diyan naman tayo kilala?
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Old April 27th, 2008, 04:01 PM   #2210
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A significant number of people in Masbate speak Cebuano, right?
En: Hmmm, that I honestly don't know, interesting! But if a significant number does speak Cebuano, then great! A Cebuano Federal State stretching from Masbate to Davao & most of Mindanao. Woo Hoo

Ce: Hala mga kaigsoonang bisaya, pagsigue mo'g padaghan sa atong mga kaliwat. Ayaw'g panumbaling anang mga pagkontrolar sa panganak, mas lami jud ang magdu'og du'og sa katre uban sa inyong asawa o bien uyab sa kada gabii ug tariki jud, lulinghayaw ug habal habal jud taman sa guinhawa! ja ja ja. Para kini sa kaugma-on sa atong mga kaliwat, mao na giud ni...
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If that is the case, we could have:

1. Ilocano State - Ilocos, Cagayan Valley
2. Igorot State - CAR
3. Tagalog State - Central Luzon, Southern Tagalog
4. Bicolano State - Bicol Region
5. Ilonggo State - Western Visayas
6. Cebuano State - Central Visayas, whole of Mindanao except ARMM
7. Waray State - Eastern Visayas
8. Bangsamoro - ARMM
9. Federal Administartive Region - NCR

This could lead to an inequitable distribution of population, land area and resources.

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Federal Republic of the Philippines/ Republica Federal de Filipinas
I like the sound of the second one, it has a nice ring tone to it, more melodic.

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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:14 PM   #2211
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so you're willing to abide in Sharia law? willing to be lash , beheaded & even cut-off your finger? how about Muslims can they abide in a Christian law?
Exactly. Its just a matter of liking or disliking the laws of ur state u wanna live. Now if a christian dont like to live in the state of Bangsamoro because of the things that u said, then u have the right to move out, and the same logic that we can apply for any muslims. As simple as that, dinabaw.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:16 PM   #2212
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tagal ko na hindi nanonood ng news., nagulat naman ako dito., hope it pushes through. we're gonna be called the Federal Republic of the Philippines., nax ang sossy.,
Ehem... Same here dude.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:18 PM   #2213
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We really need to decentralize our government to decongest Metro Manila. If all of the regions will work for themselves, maybe they could create bigger metropolis than Metro Manila kasi una kailangan nila yan upang manatiling buhay (attracting investors and the result will be the decongestion of Metro Manila) at pangalawa upang matutunan ng mga rehiyon ang tumayo sa sariling paa hindi yung umaasa lagi sa Manila.

Yun nga lang, kung gusto ng isa ng death penalty, sige, kung ayaw ng isa, e di huwag. Kanya-kanya kumbaga pero hindi ba diyan naman tayo kilala?
yep,. tama!,.
hmm,. so ang setup nito eh parang sa US?!,.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:21 PM   #2214
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We really need to decentralize our government to decongest Metro Manila. If all of the regions will work for themselves, maybe they could create bigger metropolis than Metro Manila kasi una kailangan nila yan upang manatiling buhay (attracting investors and the result will be the decongestion of Metro Manila) at pangalawa upang matutunan ng mga rehiyon ang tumayo sa sariling paa hindi yung umaasa lagi sa Manila.

Yun nga lang, kung gusto ng isa ng death penalty, sige, kung ayaw ng isa, e di huwag. Kanya-kanya kumbaga pero hindi ba diyan naman tayo kilala?
Tumpok sa punto!

Also, there is a big chance na mababawasan narin ang mga homeless, street children, and squatters sa metro manila, panigurado! Disappear, disperse! Im sure marami sa kanila ang babalik sa kani-kanilang probinsya, at dapat lang din na tawagin sila ng mga bagong state governor para sa kanilang economic manpower! ("pss huyyy! magsibalik kayo dto! kelangan namin ng mga trabahador!")

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Marinduque, Mindoro, along with the provinces of Palawan and Romblon make up the Mimaropa region which is currently part of Luzon, fyi.
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Marinduque and Mindoro are traditionally part of the Luzon island group and they are as Tagalog as Tagalog can be.

While Palawan, Romblon and Masbate are attached to Luzon regions, they are geographically part of the Visayas. Some parts of Romblon speak a variety of Ilonggo and Kinaray-a, while some parts of Masbate speak Ilonggo and Cebuano. Parts of Palawan, especially Cuyo and Cagayancillo speak Ilonggo.
Indeed! Shame on me... Di ko matanggap ito na-bobo ako sa geography natin!

Thanks for correcting me dudes!
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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:30 PM   #2215
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Also, there is a big chance na mababawasan narin ang mga homeless, street children, and squatters sa metro manila, panigurado! Disappear, disperse! Im sure marami sa kanila ang babalik sa kani-kanilang probinsya, at dapat lang din na tawagin sila ng mga bagong state governor para sa kanilang economic manpower! ("pss huyyy! magsibalik kayo dto! kelangan namin ng mga trabahador!")
LOL,. ang sama,.
pero tama ka,. aayos at luluwag ang metro, not to mention lilinis at gaganda din,.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:31 PM   #2216
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yep,. tama!,.
hmm,. so ang setup nito eh parang sa US?!,.
Kind of:

The United States Congress is the legislative branch of the federal government. It is bicameral, comprising the House of Representatives and the Senate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal..._United_States

Pero, depende parin sa final desisyon kasi meron paring mga officials na gusto mag full or partly parliamentary. Either way naman maganda paring sistema ito. The only thing that the senators liked to go US-type government system because they didn't like to lose their job and mostly perhaps the Pork Barrel. But im hoping that they would put up a filipino-version of presidential federalism w/ no Pork Barrel of the Senate.

Parliamentary System
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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:33 PM   #2217
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LOL,. ang sama,.
pero tama ka,. aayos at luluwag ang metro, not to mention lilinis at gaganda din,.
di lang yan, safety din naman para sa mga bata na naglalantaran sa kalye at mga taong nakatira sa tabi ng riles and oven those who live too close from the edge of traffic/roads... sa ikabubuti yan ng bansa natin....
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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:38 PM   #2218
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Tumpok sa punto!

Also, there is a big chance na mababawasan narin ang mga homeless, street children, and squatters sa metro manila, panigurado! Disappear, disperse! Im sure marami sa kanila ang babalik sa kani-kanilang probinsya, at dapat lang din na tawagin sila ng mga bagong state governor para sa kanilang economic manpower! ("pss huyyy! magsibalik kayo dto! kelangan namin ng mga trabahador!")

hmmm.. it is either way, baka magpuntahan lalo sa Metro Manila lahat ng ayaw sa pamamahala ng probinsiya nila.
Araw araw, kung makita mo ang bumababang pasahero sa Pier galing Bisaya sasabihin mo, saan pupunta ang mga taong ito? Marami sa kanila ay nagbabakasakaling mag ka trabaho sa Manila o abroad.

Maganda sana kung magbabalikan sila sa dati nilang lugar. We hope....
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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:40 PM   #2219
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since magkakanya-kanya na lang naman din tayo eh it's just right siguro if Cebu choses to be an independent country, este state!

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maganda yata kung WEST Visayas and EAST Visayas.

West Visayas:
Panay Is. -
Negros Is. - Agro-Industrial Zone
Palawan Is. -Tourism Zone

East Visayas:
Cebu - Financial Zone
Bohol, - Tourism Zone
Leyte, Industrial Zone(Power)
Samar - Agricultural Zone

I'd say Federal State of Cebu: financial zone, tourism zone, industrial zone, agricultural zone.

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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:41 PM   #2220
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FOURTEENTH CONGRESS OF THE REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES
First Regular Session

SENATE

JOINT RESOLUTION NO.10

Introduced by

SENATOR AQUILINO Q. PIMENTEL, JR.,

JOINT RESOLUTION TO CONVENE THE CONGRESS INTO A CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF REVISING THE CONSTITUTION TO ESTABLISH A FEDERAL SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT

EXPLANATORY NOTE

Whereas, the Constitution provides for a unitary system of government where the country's development programs are centrally determined, planned, funded and implemented by the national government in Manila;

Whereas, the concentration of such enormous powers in Manila has created only one center of finance and development in the country resulting in a highly centralized system of government;

Whereas, the highly centralized system of government has brought about a spotty development of the nation where preferential treatment has been given to localities whose officials are friendly with or have easy access to an incumbent administration;

Whereas, this lopsided arrangement has spawned a host of problems including massive nationwide poverty to runaway insurgencies and rebellions that feed on the societal inequalities in the nation;

Whereas, creating eleven States out of the Republic would establish 11 centers of finance and development in the archipelago as follows:



1. The State of Northern Luzon;
2. The State of Central Luzon;
3. The State of Southern Tagalog;
4. The State of Bicol;
5. The State of Minparom;
6. The State of Eastern Visayas;
7. The State of Central Visayas;
8. The State of Western Visayas;
9. The State of Northern Mindanao;
10. The State of Southern Mindanao; and
11. The State of BangsaMoro

in addition to the country's only one center of finance and development in Metro-Manila which shall be constituted as the Federal Administrative Region;
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> Whereas, the federalization of the Republic would speed up the development of the entire nation and help dissipate the causes of the insurgency throughout the land, particularly, the centuries-old Moro rebellions;
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> Whereas, the shift from the unitary system of government to the federal system requires revising the Constitution;
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> Whereas, the revision of the Constitution to establish a federal system of government may be done in either of three ways: Constitutional Convention, Constituent Assembly or by
Popular Initiative, and

> Whereas, considering all circumstances, it may be most expedient to revise the Constitution through a Constituent Assembly;

NOW, THEREFORE, Be it resolved as it is hereby resolved by the Senate with the House of Representatives concurring, upon a vote of three-fourths of all the Members of both Houses voting separately, to convene Congress into a constituent assembly pursuant to Section 1, paragraph 1 of Article XVII of the Constitution, and revise the Constitution for the purpose of adopting a federal system of government that will create 11 States, constitute Metro-Manila as the Federal Administrative Region, and convert the nation into the Federal Republic of the Philippines.


ARTICLE I

NATIONAL TERRITORY

Revision No. 1.

Section 1. Article I. National Territory.

The scope of the national territory is hereby revised by adding a new paragraph as follows:

The national territory shall likewise include all islands occupied or claimed by the Republic out of historic title, by discovery or other means recognized under international law and its exclusive economic zone as defined by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Revision No. 2.

Section 2. Article I. The Federal Republic and the States.

(A) The Republic of the Philippines is hereby converted into and renamed as the Federal Republic of the Philippines.

(B) The Federal Republic shall be composed of the following eleven (11) States:

1. The State of Northern Luzon;
2. The State of Central Luzon;
3. The State of Southern Tagalog;
4. The State of Bicol;
5. The State of Minparom;
6. The State of Eastern Visayas;
7. The State of Central Visayas;
8. The State of Western Visayas;
9. The State of Northern Mindanao;
10. The State of Southern Mindanao, and
11. The State of BangsaMoro;

in addition to

Metro-Manila that is hereby connected into the Federal Administrative Region.

Revision No. 3

Section 3. Article I. Composition of the States.

(A) The State of Northern Luzon.

The State of Northern Luzon shall comprise the provinces of Ilocos Norte, Ilocos Sur, La Union, Pangasinan, Batanes, Cagayan, Isabela, Nueva Vizcaya, Quirino, Abra, Apayao, Benguet, Ifugao, Kalinga and Mountain Province, and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Tuguegarao City shall be the capital of the State.

(B) The State of Central Luzon.

The State of Central Luzon shall comprise the provinces of Aurora, Bataan, Bulacan, Nueva Ecija, Pampanga, Tarlac and Zambales, and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Tarlac City shall be the capital of the State.

(C) The State of Southern Tagalog.

The State of Southern Tagalog shall comprise the provinces of Rizal, Quezon, Laguna, Batangas and Cavite and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Tagaytay City shall be the capital of the State.

(D) The State of Minparom.

The State of Minparom shall comprise the provinces of Mindoro Oriental, Mindoro Occidental, Palawan, Romblon and Marinduque and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Mamburao, Mindoro Occidental shall be the capital of the State.

(E) The State of Bicol.

The State of Bicol shall comprise the provinces of Albay, Camarines Norte, Camarines Sur, Catanduanes, and Sorsogon, and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Legazpi City shall be the capital of the State.


(F) The State of Eastern Visayas.

The State of Eastern Visayas shall comprise the provinces of Biliran, Leyte, Southern Leyte, Northern Samar, Samar and Eastern Samar and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Catbalogan City shall be the capital of the State.

(G) The State of Central Visayas.
The State of Central Visayas shall comprise the provinces of Masbate, Negros Oriental, Cebu, Bohol and Siquijor and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Toledo City shall be the capital of the State.

(H) The State of Western Visayas.

The State of Western Visayas shall comprise the provinces of Aklan, Antique, Capiz, Guimaras, Iloilo and Negros Occidental and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Iloilo City shall be the capital of the State.

(I) The State of Northern Mindanao.

The State of Northern Mindanao shall comprise the provinces of Zamboanga del Norte, Misamis Occidental, Camiguin, Misamis Oriental, Bukidnon, Agusan del Norte, Dinagat Island, Surigao del Norte, Lanao del Norte, Zamboanga del Sur and Zamboanga Sibugay, and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Cagayan de Oro City shall be the capital of the State.

J) The State of Southern Mindanao.

The State of Southern Mindanao shall comprise the provinces of Agusan del Sur, Surigao del Sur, Compostela Valley, Davao, Davao Oriental, Davao del Sur, South Cotabato, Sarangani, Cotabato and Sultan Kudarat and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Davao City shall be the capital of the State.

(K) The State of the BangsaMoro.

The State of the BangsaMoro shall comprise the provinces of Lanao del Sur, Maguindanao, (Shariff Kabunsuan)[1] <"
, Basilan, Sulu, and Tawi-Tawi and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by the State Legislature, Marawi City shall be the capital of the State.

(M) The Federal Administrative Region of Metro-Manila.

The area known as Metropolitan or Metro-Manila is hereby constituted as a Federal Administrative Region. It shall comprise the cities of Manila, Quezon, Makati, Mandaluyong, Pasay, Pasig, Caloocan, Muntinlupa, Las Pinas, Paranaque, Malabon, Marikina, Taguig, Navotas, Valenzuela and San Juan, and the municipality of Pateros, and all the barangays therein. Until provided otherwise by Congress, it shall be the seat of the Executive Department.

Revision No. 4.

New Section. Article I. Dissolution, Secession or Separation of
States.

No State may dissolve itself, secede or separate from the Federal Republic unless it first secures the approval of two-thirds of its qualified voters in a plebiscite called for that purpose. Thereafter, the Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of all its members, voting separately, act on the proposed dissolution, secession or separation of the State concerned.
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