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Old August 7th, 2009, 02:12 AM   #1321
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There are several groups around town that have made it their passion, or duty, to complain about anything that could look derogatory about CentrePointe. Some of them are associated with Ace Weekly and some with another blog.(and Dame, I am not saying that you are one of those complainers). One of the most vocal is Jim Gray and every chance he gets to say something, the Herald-Leader has to print it, then Tom Eblen gets to comment on it.

It has been suggested that the city take this project away from the Webb's and give it to another developer who will do the job right. The phrase used is "eminent domain", which used this way in Kentucky is illegal. That does sound like "commie bastards" to me, yet these folks are upstanding local businessmen and economics intelligent people. One local blog has called for a somewhat forced "central planning agency" to ensure that the plans get carried out. Wasn't this the hallmark of the Soviet Union and red China? Didn't they both fail in the long run?

Of all the possible scenarios that faced the old Dame building, extensive remodeling, continued lack of maintenance and the demolition(which happened) for new construction, it is clear that the business could not have continued in that location. Holding a grudge due to an economic situation makes no sense.
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Old August 7th, 2009, 02:27 AM   #1322
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There are several groups around town that have made it their passion, or duty, to complain about anything that could look derogatory about CentrePointe. Some of them are associated with Ace Weekly and some with another blog.(and Dame, I am not saying that you are one of those complainers). One of the most vocal is Jim Gray and every chance he gets to say something, the Herald-Leader has to print it, then Tom Eblen gets to comment on it.

It has been suggested that the city take this project away from the Webb's and give it to another developer who will do the job right. The phrase used is "eminent domain", which used this way in Kentucky is illegal. That does sound like "commie bastards" to me, yet these folks are upstanding local businessmen and economics intelligent people. One local blog has called for a somewhat forced "central planning agency" to ensure that the plans get carried out. Wasn't this the hallmark of the Soviet Union and red China? Didn't they both fail in the long run?

Of all the possible scenarios that faced the old Dame building, extensive remodeling, continued lack of maintenance and the demolition(which happened) for new construction, it is clear that the business could not have continued in that location. Holding a grudge due to an economic situation makes no sense.
I too shall beat the dead horse! Or rather critique the horse beating...

Forcibly transferring ownership from one individual or consortium to another is known as expropriation which is not a hallmark of communism but rather socialism (two very different things that are often lumped together as one in the same)

Eminent Domain is not even a good description of this suggestion (not critiquing you Carto, I know you were just quoting) because eminent domain is the forcible transfer from private to public ownership. Expropriation is the forcible transfer of property or assets from one private individual or group to another.

Carry on.
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Old August 7th, 2009, 09:42 PM   #1323
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The city would have to use eminent domain to obtain the property, hence transfering the property private to public and then sell the land to someone else.
BTW, who the hell do they think would/could do this project? The Webbs are the largest developers in town and are the only developer in town that has done major downtown highrises. I seriously doubt a developer from another state is going to come in right now and do it. You can't get funding for a towner in NY or Chicago much less Lexington.

The city requires you to seed with in 14 days of the end of grading which is pointless because grass won't germinate at these temperatures. They really can't do anything until this fall. Until then it will be a mud pit.
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Old August 7th, 2009, 10:10 PM   #1324
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The city would have to use eminent domain to obtain the property, hence transfering the property private to public and then sell the land to someone else.
BTW, who the hell do they think would/could do this project? The Webbs are the largest developers in town and are the only developer in town that has done major downtown highrises. I seriously doubt a developer from another state is going to come in right now and do it. You can't get funding for a towner in NY or Chicago much less Lexington.

The city requires you to seed with in 14 days of the end of grading which is pointless because grass won't germinate at these temperatures. They really can't do anything until this fall. Until then it will be a mud pit.
Cousins Properties of Atlanta: http://www.cousinsproperties.com/ They're planning a mixed use project for downtown Greenville. Can't see why they couldn't for Lexington.
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Old August 7th, 2009, 11:13 PM   #1325
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The city would have to use eminent domain to obtain the property, hence transfering the property private to public and then sell the land to someone else.
As I have stated before, the use of eminent domain to give or sell to another is against KRS 416.675(3). The law is very clear and specific. If the city takes it by eminent domain, then it MUST be used for civic purposes. No ifs, ands or buts.
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Old August 11th, 2009, 06:58 PM   #1326
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Looks like they adding more dirt so it doesn't pond anymore.
I know they can't take it by eminent domain, I was just pointless pointing out that if they did it it would be eminent domain.
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Grass seed going in...

http://www.kentucky.com/latest_news/story/901031.html
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Old August 20th, 2009, 12:58 AM   #1328
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Woohoo. We're saved.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 02:22 AM   #1329
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Woohoo. We're saved.

Asshole. Why are you obsessed with this project falling through? You make me sick.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 04:17 AM   #1330
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He was also obsessed with Museum Plaza failing, matter of fact g-man is happy of any development that fails outside of Greenville.
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They're being mean to me. I'm telling my mom.
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Old August 24th, 2009, 12:39 AM   #1332
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Internet flamer of the year.......g-man
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Old September 16th, 2009, 01:14 AM   #1333
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Is there really NO new news going on with Centrepointe? Did they secure new finiancing or what? Word in town is this is still going to happen... but I see no evidence of it. They need to get this done.
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Old September 16th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #1334
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There's been nothing in the media about Centrepointe for a couple months now. I may try and email the Webb Companies again. I got a response several months ago regarding the official height but I didnt get a response last time when I asked if any progress had been made with financing.
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Old September 16th, 2009, 06:06 PM   #1335
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Got a response...

Documents have been signed, but we are still awaiting our funding.

Thanks for your interest......

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Old September 16th, 2009, 10:42 PM   #1336
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That's great Ian, nice work getting some kind of info. I hope something starts to happen there by the end of the year!
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Old September 16th, 2009, 11:04 PM   #1337
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The thing that makes me nervious about this is they installed a sprinkler system, not cheap. That seems to me to be a bad sign as they seem to think it is going to take a while. Who knows, in the grand scheme of this project, a basic sprinkler system is a drop in the bucket. I do hope they can get it going though.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 06:08 AM   #1338
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Meh, i'll believe it when I see it. In November, they'll probably say another six months.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 03:53 AM   #1339
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i dont know if this is a good or bad sign or nothing really... link below

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Old September 22nd, 2009, 04:12 AM   #1340
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Hmmmm...interesting. Hopefully it doesn't mean they're redesigning the building and making it smaller.
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