Miami International Airport

[Södermalm]

Originally Posted by jwmia

Can anyone tell me why AA decided to only build 2 concourse level jet bridges for the Eagle terminal? With the growth AA just announced for Eagle at MIA it seems pretty shortsighted to only build 2 concourse level jet bridges. How will passengers get to the Eagle flights not using one of those 2 gates? Will the buses be eliminated? Also, does anyone have any info as far as AA announcing anymore new service for the winter? So far, the only new service I have seen is Brasilia 4 times a week which is a bit disappointing considering ATA was just approved and the North Terminal is nearly completed. I was hoping for a new European service (MXP, BCN, MAN) and some new domestic markets (SAN, SNA, AUS, SAT, SEA, MCI). It seems like Eagle is the only one getting a large injection of new/increased service.

There is a covered walkway under construction at the eagle terminal.

The overall increase announced this year by AA are weak from an ASM perspective, even including eagle. New ATI routes and changes have not been announced yet, but don't count on much if anything, since AA has mostly ceded the EU-MIA market for years. Regarding Latin America, earlier this year the AA CEO had pledged that AA growth in the region would match GDP growth, but this has yet to materialize.

[Andyxox]

Just a question, I felt like this was the best place to post it.

I will be going on a trip and will be flying out of and returning to MIA.
I live in Palm Beach County and don't want to park my car long term and don't want to hassle someone to drive down and back twice, so I was thinking of taking Tri-Rail to the Miami Airport station, and take the shuttle to the airport.

Has anyone done this? Is it a pretty good option? What is the shuttle like? Is it a city bus route or is it like a direct route to the airport, no stops? Does anyone know how late it runs? Thanks for your input!

[ftlauddude]

Andy, YES! Do it! It's pretty reliable...however, check your flight schedule and make sure your return to MIA is before the last train heading north to Palm Beach. I do it all the time from Fort Lauderdale whenever FLL is not the cheapest option (almost never)...and now that I work here in MIA I take it all the time...

Speaking of other matters, does anyone know if the Skytrain is in operation? I have seen it moving already 3 times for the past two weeks...Test drives?

[diablo234]

I was in MIA recently and it was still blocked off/under construction. I believe it is supposed to open sometime this fall.

[ftlauddude]

Originally Posted by diablo234

I was in MIA recently and it was still blocked off/under construction. I believe it is supposed to open sometime this fall.

I found out...It'll be open the second week of September in accordance with MDAD personnel, so they r doing test drives right now...

[massp88]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-....html?x=0&.v=1

Did not see this one coming. DL to start BOS-LHR 2 x daily and MIA-LHR 1 x daily.

[jwmia]

Originally Posted by massp88

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-....html?x=0&.v=1

Did not see this one coming. DL to start BOS-LHR 2 x daily and MIA-LHR 1 x daily.

Shocking that DL would go for LHR over AMS. I wonder if this will spur AA to add a 2nd nonstop 7 days a week year round from MIA to LHR.

[Södermalm]

Originally Posted by massp88

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-....html?x=0&.v=1

Did not see this one coming. DL to start BOS-LHR 2 x daily and MIA-LHR 1 x daily.

DL also made it a point to specify in the application that they are now the number two carrier at MIA. This along with the new DCA-MIA service from DL is very positive news, and signals more to come.

This will be the first international passenger flight from MIA by any American carrier other than AA in years, even though MIA is the second busiest airport in the country by international traffic.

[massp88]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

DL also made it a point to specify in the application that they are now the number two carrier at MIA. This along with the new DCA-MIA service from DL is very positive news, and signals more to come.

This will be the first international passenger flight from MIA by any American carrier other than AA in years, even though MIA is the second busiest airport in the country by international traffic.

Yes and Miami also enjoys a large amount of international carriers. The variety MIA sees is probably second to only JFK.

Not many airports in the U.S. see international flights by multiple U.S. carriers.

[diablo234]

Kind of suprising that Delta is starting direct flights to Heathrow out of MIA since MIA is sort of American's fortress hub plus Skyteam does not have much of a presence in Latin America outside of Aeromexico.

Plus you also have Virgin Atlantic offering direct flights from MIA to LHR as well in addition to British Airways.

[GTR66]

sounds like MIA to LHR is going to get busy. Hope Delta gets enough people. They should go to MIA to AMS. The second flight should have gone to MEM. They only have 1X a day to AMS. They need MEM to LHR.

[Södermalm]

These are slots that AA and BA are giving up as a condition for approval of their joint venture. There were only a few cities that they could be used for, including Miami and Boston.

There is plenty of room for the new DL flight + more on LHR-MIA. BA and VS consistently post extremely strong loads on the route, but VS might not have spare aircraft to bid with. Anyway, DL bidding instead of VS is a much better outcome for MIA, and just about the worst case scenario for AA.

[MAH45462]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

There is plenty of room for the new DL flight + more on LHR-MIA. BA and VS consistently post extremely strong loads on the route, but VS might not have spare aircraft to bid with. Anyway, DL bidding instead of VS is a much better outcome for MIA, and just about the worst case scenario for AA.

Thanks for the laugh. Worst case scenario? The market is very large and can handle AA+BA, DL and VS all the same. But hey, what do I know, I only have access to traffic data that you don't. Delta is in the weakest position since AA+BA have hubs on both ends, Virgin Atlantic is long entrenched and can flow Africa/India/bmi connections over Heathrow, while Delta has to rely on near pure O&D. That being said, its large enough an O&D market that Delta can likely pull it off.

And, showing once again how little you know, Virgin Atlantic does not qualify for the slots, because it has a significant amount of slots that it leases out to other carriers.

[Södermalm]

Originally Posted by MAH45462

Thanks for the laugh. Worst case scenario? The market is very large and can handle AA+BA, DL and VS all the same. But hey, what do I know, I only have access to traffic data that you don't. Delta is in the weakest position since AA+BA have hubs on both ends, Virgin Atlantic is long entrenched and can flow Africa/India/bmi connections over Heathrow, while Delta has to rely on near pure O&D. That being said, its large enough an O&D market that Delta can likely pull it off.

And, showing once again how little you know, Virgin Atlantic does not qualify for the slots, because it has a significant amount of slots that it leases out to other carriers.

Your postings have indicated on multiple actions that you lack LF data.

Delta will be in a weak position on this route, but still has built a good FF base at both ends, has a great club at MIA, etc.

DL winning the slots is the worst case scenario for AA, since DL not only eliminates the duopoly but also adds a third competitor to the route who will be much more aggressive on pricing. It still won't have a major impact on AA/BA though; Even if BA/AA add another LHR-MIA frequency as expected, there is plenty of room for all and DL will do well.

Significant however, is that it gives DL a better taste of what intl ops out of MIA are like. DL is well aware of what AA is leaving on the table at MIA, they already carry an enormous amount of traffic from MIA to stations as diverse as TLV/NRT/MXP/PRG etc. and this will further whet their appetite.

You are again wrong in stating that VS was ineligible to bid for these slots. These slots were offered by BA/AA to mollify regulators and the loud complaints coming primarily from VS. Subsequent to BA/AA offering these slots, VS did go on to complain about the leasehold structure of the offer, but it was clear that BA/AA had called Branson's bluff, and that VS had little intention of actually expanding in these markets. Now, it can also be said that DL has also called BA/AA's bluff, since the highly competitive DL was definitely not what BA/AA had in mind in offering these slots.

[MAH45462]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

You are again wrong in stating that VS was ineligible to bid for these slots. These slots were offered by BA/AA to mollify regulators and the loud complaints coming primarily from VS. Subsequent to BA/AA offering these slots, VS did go on to complain about the leasehold structure of the offer, but it was clear that BA/AA had called Branson's bluff, and that VS had little intention of actually expanding in these markets. Now, it can also be said that DL has also called BA/AA's bluff, since the highly competitive DL was definitely not what BA/AA had in mind in offering these slots.

Wrong again, as always. In order to qualify for these slots, an airline must not have any slots leased out to other airlines. Since Virgin Atlantic has a significant amount of slots leased out to bmi, it does not qualify.

You sound like a bigger idiot with every new post. I would stop while you are ahead (then again, were you ever ahead? Nope.). Your stupidity astounds me.

And I do have access to load factor data, via MIDT. I know, it makes you jealous. Just deal, move on and keep up your Google search techniques, since its the only thing about MIA that you know.

[Södermalm]

Originally Posted by MAH45462

Wrong again, as always. In order to qualify for these slots, an airline must not have any slots leased out to other airlines. Since Virgin Atlantic has a significant amount of slots leased out to bmi, it does not qualify.

This simply repeats what you said the first time. It was wrong the first time, and is still wrong.

It is evident that this announcement is very painful to swallow for some, as it represents a double blow to AA. Firstly, BA/AA will eventually be forced to pull back on the LHR-BOS route, which already has fewer passengers than LHR-MIA despite having significantly more capacity. But more importantly, it heralds the arrival of a true competitor at MIA. As an AA votary, this must have been very unpleasant to see, considering what it represents.

[massp88]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

This simply repeats what you said the first time. It was wrong the first time, and is still wrong.

It is evident that this announcement is very painful to swallow for some, as it represents a double blow to AA. Firstly, BA/AA will eventually be forced to pull back on the LHR-BOS route, which already has fewer passengers than LHR-MIA despite having significantly more capacity. But more importantly, it heralds the arrival of a true competitor at MIA. As an AA votary, this must have been very unpleasant to see, considering what it represents.

Boston-London is a larger market than Miami-London is. More business traffic and it's one of BA's best performing NA routes. Miami is not far behind though.

I am willing to bet AA drops BOS-LHR service and BA adds a 4th daily year round to make up for the loss.

[GTR66]

wow 4 BAs a day. thats sounds really cool, but do you think that will ever happen?

[Södermalm]

Originally Posted by massp88

Boston-London is a larger market than Miami-London is. More business traffic and it's one of BA's best performing NA routes. Miami is not far behind though.

I am willing to bet AA drops BOS-LHR service and BA adds a 4th daily year round to make up for the loss.

Depends on the time of year. For six months of the year, from November through April, there are fewer pax on the LHR-BOS route than LHR-MIA. For the full year 2009, total passengers on LHR-BOS was within 0.5% of LHR-MIA, statistically insignificant.

Loads to BOS were abysmal compared to MIA though, since there is so much more capacity, so it is unlikely that it is one of BA's best performing NA routes. It is inevitable that at least one of the carriers on the BOS route will be reducing capacity.

[massp88]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

Depends on the time of year. For six months of the year, from November through April, there are fewer pax on the LHR-BOS route than LHR-MIA. For the full year 2009, total passengers on LHR-BOS was within 0.5% of LHR-MIA, statistically insignificant.

Loads to BOS were abysmal compared to MIA though, since there is so much more capacity, so it is unlikely that it is one of BA's best performing NA routes. It is inevitable that at least one of the carriers on the BOS route will be reducing capacity.

I don't know where you get your stats from, but more passengers flew BOS-LHR than MIA-LHR in 2009 and that is a fact. Loads, while not awesome, certainly were not abysmal at over 64% for the year. MIA has about 71% so not a massive difference.

Boston and London are 2 of the world's largest financial centers with both being in the top 12. There is solid premium demand on the route and BA benefits from this.