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Old March 24th, 2008, 08:10 AM   #41
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The Asian first subway.Tokyo 1927
A world's first magnetism automatic ticket gate.
Osaka train 1969 Sapporo 1971
A world's first subway electronic paper advertisement.Sendai 2007
A world's first line color.Tokyo
A world's first dynamic braking.Koube

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Old March 24th, 2008, 11:02 AM   #42
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Three or four lines of London Underground qualify for such a suburban hybrid as well. Nonetheless they are considered to be metro lines. A contradiction quite obviously.
Is this by virtue of the lines being above ground, or by virtue of them sharing track or easements with other rail services?
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Old March 24th, 2008, 01:22 PM   #43
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The Asian first subway.Tokyo
A world's first magnetism automatic ticket gate.Osaka
A world's first subway electronic paper advertisement.Sendai
A world's first line color.Tokyo
A world's first dynamic braking.Koube
Interesting. Do you also have the years?
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Old March 24th, 2008, 03:23 PM   #44
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OK, my English can always use a little tweak. But let's slightly rephrase the statement:
First metro stretch dug with a tunnel boring machine: London (Northern Line - Bank branch, 1890, then called City & South London Railway).
I think LU also has the first underwater crossing, the Thames Tunnel on the East London line (soon London Overground) but since it wasn't designed for trains I don't know if it is allowed.

I think it is also one of the only metros around the world to ever use steam trains!
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Old March 26th, 2008, 07:53 PM   #45
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L'Express Expo/The Expo Express, being the 1967 World Fair's six-station mass-transit line that was fully ditched before seeing its sixth birthday, brought about the world's first fully automatic train (yes, it even outdid London's Victoria Line) -- the Fair's if-fiest transport-related decision was deciding whether to go about staffing the train cabs....
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Old March 27th, 2008, 07:06 AM   #46
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Metro with 3 different gauges:
Barcelona:
1676mm in L1.
1435mm in L2, L3, L4, L5, L6, L7, L11 and L9&L10 under construction.
1000mm in L8.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 04:47 PM   #47
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Deepest (future) underground station: Napoli, stazione Cilea M5/M1; 127m from surface - u/c

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Eastern-most underground : Sydney Australia
Western-most underground : Vancouver, Canada
Now if we could only connect them...
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Fastest subway cars: Guangzhou, China (120km/h)
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BART in San Francisco usually counts as a subway and makes 128 km/h.
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Old March 29th, 2008, 01:30 AM   #51
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BART in San Francisco usually counts as a subway and makes 128 km/h.
I still say that BART is a commuter rail/metro hybrid much like the Australian rail networks in Melbourne and Sydney though as most branches of the lines on the BART have 15 minute headways - which is definitely not metro frequency. I agree that there are a lot of bundled lines, but this still doesn't mean that it's a metro. If anything the system in Melbourne should be considered a then metro as it runs at 10 minute frequencies on most lines.

Not only that but looking at station spacing on the outer segments of the line shows that the gaps are rather large - not usually something associated with a metro service.
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Old March 29th, 2008, 09:50 PM   #52
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Porto metro system (mixed suburban, LRT , metro network ... something like pre-metro) ...
- fastest growing network ??? ... 70km opened in less than 4 years ... another 70km planed for the near future.
source: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/por/porto.htm

Lisboa metropolitan ...
- 70 years between proposal and start of construction
- european westernmost metro system
- section "under construction" for the longest time ... a section of 1km Baixa-S.Apolonia was actualy "under construction" for more than a decade (11 years actualy).
- most expensive metro line ???? (the quoted 1km trackage) ... 134M€ OVER BUDGET for 1km ... don't mind the little 160M€ originaly budgeted ... 300M€ for 1km.
- and I advance the running up to another category: most badly planned metro network (map actualy shows line placement):

source: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/lis/lisboa.htm

Oeiras SATUO
- most USELES mass transit system ... elevated monorail system

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You are right. So it reads:
Narrowest gauge: Bilbao, Valencia/Spain (1000 mm)

... if there isn't a third one (not counting the tram-like light rail lines in Bochum and Mülheim).
Lisboa Light Rail/Trams run on 900mm tracks ... but those don't count as Metro ...
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I still say that BART is a commuter rail/metro hybrid much like the Australian rail networks in Melbourne and Sydney though as most branches of the lines on the BART have 15 minute headways - which is definitely not metro frequency. I agree that there are a lot of bundled lines, but this still doesn't mean that it's a metro. If anything the system in Melbourne should be considered a then metro as it runs at 10 minute frequencies on most lines.

Not only that but looking at station spacing on the outer segments of the line shows that the gaps are rather large - not usually something associated with a metro service.
Problems of definition!
  • Why is Australia a continent, but Greenland & Madagascar are not?
  • Why is Pluto generally considered a planet yet Eris (which is larger) is not?

There are certainly large gaps on the BART system (e.g. Dublin/Pleasanton) ...how far between stations there?
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- most USELES mass transit system ... elevated monorail system
And you base this on...?

I suppose Hitachi's heavy rail monorail lines that carry 100,000+ passengers on a daily basis are completely USELESS? Or are you basing this on the number of tourist monorails out there, since tourist regular rail lines don't exist anywhere?

If you can think of a way to put a grade separate rail line into a dense urban area any cheaper and less obtrusive, I'd like to see it.
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Old March 30th, 2008, 06:01 AM   #55
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Porto hasn't got a full metro. It is a a light rail network (similar to Stadtbahn or Premetro networks elsewhere in Europe).

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Porto metro system (mixed suburban, LRT , metro network ... something like pre-metro) ...
- fastest growing network ??? ... 70km opened in less than 4 years ... another 70km planed for the near future.
source: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/por/porto.htm
Shanghai has opened 95 km only on one day (29 December 2007), and have much more under construction.
Beijing also has 78 km in the Pipeline for 2010.


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Oeiras SATUO
- most USELES mass transit system ... elevated monorail system
I think this is not an appropriate superlative for this thread.
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Old March 30th, 2008, 01:34 PM   #57
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First rubber tired metro : Paris
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Porto hasn't got a full metro. It is a a light rail network (similar to Stadtbahn or Premetro networks elsewhere in Europe).

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If I remenber correctly You are quoting MY previous statement:

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Porto metro system (mixed suburban, LRT , metro network ... something like pre-metro) ...
- fastest growing network ??? ... 70km opened in less than 4 years ... another 70km planed for the near future.
source: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/por/porto.htm
And now tell me ... what part of my previous post didn't you understand ???

Porto has more than 20km of "full underground metro" and 30km of "suburban train" ... nevermind the tipe of veichles they use on their networks.

They could as easily start to use "london tube" veichles tomorrow on those tunnels ... for what people care its the same thing ...

They only run some short spurs from the main line in "tram stile" ...
And nobody will even try to draw a line at what the "metro do porto" realy is ... because the "tram" projects in Porto are still a little messy ... there are actualy some 20/30km of rails (?) inside the city wich are not connected to each other ... and some classic trams runing along the riverbed.
but The "metro do porto" project goes from running tram-stile , full metro , suburban trains , .. .and there are even talks/planing about passing the TGV along the metro trackage.

And there is not such thing as "full metro" ... there are shortcoming to the perfection of the definition in EVERY system known to man.

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And you base this on...?

I suppose Hitachi's heavy rail monorail lines that carry 100,000+ passengers on a daily basis are completely USELESS? Or are you basing this on the number of tourist monorails out there, since tourist regular rail lines don't exist anywhere?

If you can think of a way to put a grade separate rail line into a dense urban area any cheaper and less obtrusive, I'd like to see it.
You would be hard pressed to see ANYONE using SATUO system.

1,1km long monorail like ... actualy is like a funicular cablecar.

Some news and blog comments about it:
http://saudesa.blogspot.com/2005/05/...-no-satuo.html
http://oeiraslocal.blogspot.com/2007/05/satuo.html
(sorry: in portuguese only)
http://www.luso.u-net.com/satuo.htm

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Shanghai has opened 95 km only on one day (29 December 2007), and have much more under construction.
Beijing also has 78 km in the Pipeline for 2010.
Thats why i placed some question marks along side that.

But nevertheless unless someone claims higher stakes it WAS a record until 29 December 2007.

Nevertheless at the same timeframe Porto inaugurated a 70km "urban" metropolitan and a 200km "suburban" comuter system.

but we are comparing a tiny 300.000 habitants city with megalopolis like Shanghay and Beijing ... its not even fair.


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I think this is not an appropriate superlative for this thread.
I beg to differ ... it is a pretty concurrential trophy.
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 06:18 AM   #59
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Most expensive (U/C) metro line: North/South Line in Amsterdam

I am not sure if it will be the most expensive metro line in the world in euros for each km. The line will be 9,7 km long and cost at least 1,8 billion Euro. Sotavento had a higher example, however this is just a section, not a complete line. Further more the most complicated section of the North/South Line will problably cost a lot more than 300 million euro for 1 km, because certain important buildings had to be given a new or improved foundation and that there are a lot of difficulties.

-186 million euro for a kilometer
-468 million dollar a mile

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- section "under construction" for the longest time ... a section of 1km Baixa-S.Apolonia was actualy "under construction" for more than a decade (11 years actualy).
It's not really a record to be proud of, but construction of Napoli's line 6 started in 1987 but the first part has been opened 20 years after in 2007. But this part is only 2,5 km long, with 4 stations, so it's quite useless. It should be completed in 2013 with about 8 km and 9 stations.

Shortest lenght for a first stretch of a new network: Genova, it opened with only two stations in 1990, another station was added in 1992, and only 11 years after two stations were added. It will reach 8 stations by 2010.
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