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Old April 6th, 2008, 02:04 AM   #81
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Paris : Chatelet - Gare de Lyon : 2781 m
Hmm... I think this doesn't count because M 1 has intermediate stations there.
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Old April 6th, 2008, 04:15 AM   #82
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Another curious fact:
The only two metro cities that have the same name: Valencia in Spain and Valencia in Venezuela.
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Old April 7th, 2008, 04:15 AM   #83
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A superlative Porto's metro/light rail really seems to deserve is: Most residential pride per km
No No No


"Metro do Porto" system is (how should I put it) a step further in the "metropolitan mass transit" concept ... a step a lot further I would say ...


If it is not a "metro" then it is another record holder:

- the BIGGEST "non metro" FULL Metro Network !!!

20km of "non metro" ... the entire "non metro" of Porto metropolitan Area Metro network is about 70km run by light rail and 200km comuter rail ... the entire tracckage of the central area (Porto City itself included) is 20km of full subway/pre-metro and 10km of segregated urban rail.

As not to be misslabeled ... some portuguese definitions:
English = Portuguese
tram/streetcar = electrico
light rail = metro ligeiro /electrico rapido (segregated/street running)
metro(politan) = metro(politano)
underground/subway = metro(politano)
comuter = urbano
regional = regional

To go even a step further into general hatred by "light-rail cant be metro" fanatics it will be expanded using "tram-train" vehicles in the near future ... "metro"/"tube" vehicles are not expected to be used in the system in the near future.
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Old April 7th, 2008, 04:55 AM   #84
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Hmm... I think this doesn't count because M 1 has intermediate stations there.
That's not the case on line 14 (and RER A and D for the matter). Now that we talk about this, 4 fully independent rail tunnels (serving 4 independent lines) link Châtelet - Les Halles to Gare de Lyon. That might be a record.

Châtelet - Les Halles is also the largest underground station in the world (and as far as I know the busiest underground hub in the western world).

The City of Paris, as defined administratively*, has also the most dense network in the world with 324 stops on 105.4 km² which makes an average of 3.07 stations/km². Of course, I exclude here the 33 RER stops within the borders of the City of Paris.

*I know it is silly to use administrative borders as they vary a lot from a city to another, but it's the only decent criteria I've found. Told differently, let's say that Paris has the most dense network in a radius of 5km from the center.

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Old April 9th, 2008, 01:43 AM   #85
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That's not the case on line 14 (and RER A and D for the matter). Now that we talk about this, 4 fully independent rail tunnels (serving 4 independent lines) link Châtelet - Les Halles to Gare de Lyon. That might be a record.
With that length, maybe. But I would guess New York has many more parallel tunnels. Even the small city of Hamburg has 4 fully independent tunnels between Jungfernstieg and Hauptbahnhof stations.

With Chatelet-Les Halles you may be right. Indeed a huge station.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 01:54 AM   #86
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Maybe another record:
Only subway with 'pushers': Tokyo. (To be confirmed, I don't know if they are still there or if there are other metros in the world with pushers.)


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Old April 9th, 2008, 02:06 AM   #87
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^ I recall the MTR in Hong Kong had pushers around 2000.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 02:37 AM   #88
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Not really pushers like in Tokyo (Paris is an "European" city, we would never accept to be pushed), even if they have a similar role.

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Old April 11th, 2008, 09:02 PM   #89
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Probably almost every subway's station in the world have another kind of pusher..
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Old April 12th, 2008, 09:13 PM   #90
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Great thead.
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Old April 13th, 2008, 12:52 AM   #91
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Made a list with as much as I could find in this thread.

General:

World's most heavily used metro systems: Moscow Metro 2.529 billion, 2007
Most stations: New York: 468 stations
Densest metro network: Paris
Fastest subway cars: Guangzhou, China, 120km/h (BART up to 130 km/h)
Narrowest gauge: Bilbao, Valencia, Barcelona/Spain (1000 mm)
Widest gauge: Sapporo (2180 mm) --> Tires


Longest/largest:

Largest metro network: London, 408 km
Largest metro loop: Seoul, 48.8 km
Largest underground station: Paris, Châtelet - Les Halles
Longest Metro Tunnel: Moscow, Serpukhovsko-Timiryazevskaya line 41.5 km
Longest automated system: Vancouver, 49km
Longest transit-only bridge: SkyBridge, Vancouver, 616 metres


Smallest:

Smallest city with a full metro systems: Lausanne.
Smallest island with its own metro system: Singapore (704.0 km² [Wikipedia]; Singapore MRT).
Smallest offshore island with its own metro system: Okinawa, Japan (2,271.30 km² [Wikipedia]; Naha monorail).
Smallest circle line: Glasgow
Smallest loading gauge: Glasgow
Smallest loading gauge for a standard gauge: London


Worlds first:

First metro tunnel: London, 1863.
First circle line: London, 1884
First metro stretch dug with a tunnel boring machine: London (Northern Line - Bank branch, 1890, then called City & South London Railway).
First Schematic Map: London, 1933
First rubber-tyred metro: Paris, 1956
First platform doors: Saint Petersburg (1961, platform steel doors), Singapore had the first real PSDs (1987)
First fully-underground metro system (including depots): Montreal, 1966
First completely rubber-tyred metro system was built in Montreal, 1966
First fully-automated rapid transit system: The Expo Express, Montreal, 1967
First fully-automated rapid existing transit system: Victoria Line, London, 1968
First fully-automated rapid unmanned transit system: Osaka and Kobe, 1981


Geography:

Northern-most underground : Helsinki, Finland
Southern-most underground : Melbourne Australia (no real metro)
Eastern-most underground : Sydney Australia (no real metro)

Western-most underground : Vancouver, Canada


Construction:

Longest delayed subway line to date:: Second Avenue Subway, NYC. First plans for this line were already drawn up in 1929
System with the longest period without extension: Glasgow subway
Napoli's line 6 started in 1987 but the first part has been opened 20 years after in 2007. But this part is only 2,5 km long, with 4 stations, so it's quite useless. It should be completed in 2013 with about 8 km and 9 stations.
Most expensive (U/C) metro line: North/South Line in Amsterdam (186 million euro for a kilometer/468 million dollar a mile for the avarage km of a full line)
The biggest Metro extension (growth): Madrid, 165km of full Metro from 1996 to 2007 (11-12 years).
Deepest (U/C) underground station: Napoli, stazione Cilea M5/M1, 127m (Deepest station now: Kiev, Arsenalna, 102m)


Only:

Only two metro cities that have the same name: Valencia in Spain and Valencia in Venezuela.
Only subway with 'pushers': Tokyo
Only metro system that exclusively runs with 1 circle line: Glasgow
Only metro system with 2 circles lines: Madrid, line 6, 23 km; line 12, 40Km
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Old April 13th, 2008, 01:03 AM   #92
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I'm not sure about this one, but...

Largest deep level excavation: Auber RER station, Paris?
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Only metros with carpets in the trains: Washington and San Francisco BART.

Thanks Wuppeltje for the aggregation!
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@micro, doesn't have NYC also have some trains with carpet in it?
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Old April 13th, 2008, 02:32 AM   #95
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Cool idea for a thread, very interesting.

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First driverless metro? Osaka and Kobe, both 1981.
I thought London had them long before that.

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A world's first line color.Tokyo
Thats kind of cool! What year?
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I thought London had them long before that.
London had the first automatic train operation, but there were (and are) still 'drivers' to close and open the doors.
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Old April 13th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #97
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London had the first automatic train operation, but there were (and are) still 'drivers' to close and open the doors.
I guess we can still claim the title, as the trains were trialled with no-one in the leading cab of the Victoria Line (1968), but this proved so unsettling to passengers that the Guard / 'Driver' was moved to the leading cab from the rear cab.

Unstaffed trains will never happen on LU for safety reasons
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Old April 13th, 2008, 12:46 PM   #98
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Widest gauge: Sapporo (2180 mm) --> Tires
Gauge isn't defined for rubber tyred vehicles.

The widest gauge in use is in New Delhi, 1676 mm/5'6'', and Barcellona, about 1672 mm (line 1).
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Old April 13th, 2008, 01:28 PM   #99
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First wide driverless metro: Lyon, line D. (2.9m)
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Made a list with as much as I could find in this thread.


Worlds first:

First metro tunnel: London, 1863.
First circle line: London, 1884[/b]

Only:

Only two metro cities that have the same name: Valencia in Spain and Valencia in Venezuela.
Only subway with 'pushers': Tokyo
Only metro system with 2 circles lines: Madrid, line 6, 23 km; line 12, 40Km
Isn't the Glasgow system unique for:
  • running completely underground ... without depots?
  • smallest city loop?
  • exclusively underground sytem with smallest original gauge (4 foot)?
  • only system with no normally operational switches/points ?
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