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Old June 16th, 2016, 04:09 AM   #2001
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"The aftermath. Entire swathes of the city were rebuilt off EU money."

There is no EU money, it's are money. And we get less of it back then they take.
And how much money do Northern taxpayers give to Westminster each and every year only for it to be spent in London, with no returns whatsoever for Northerners?

You think people in Newcastle, Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool have benefited from the fact Stratford has a 50m swimming pool? Have we befitted from the millennium dome? Will we benefit from Crossrail 1? Crossrail 2? The Northern Line extension to Battersea?

Of course not - but we still have to pay for it, and then we have to get on our knees and beg for a mere half a billion to revolutionise the Northern rail network. At least the EU operates on a federal concept where rich areas pay for poor areas to regenerate and become economically buoyant. The UK system operates off ensuring that rich areas get richer, and poor areas.....

Nah, lets have a referendum on Westminster please - cause I'm sick of my region being governed by a bunch of people who don't care that we exist.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 09:57 AM   #2002
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If you believe the EU has simply taken from Greater Manchester, I point you to this article: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....ester-11020085
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Old June 16th, 2016, 10:02 AM   #2003
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UK Taxes go to London
EU Taxes for to the PIG states.

Either way. Manchester begs for self-funding Metrolink seed money after another referendum, this one was on Congestion Charging.

Almost every poster in here was for the Congestion Charging!

Hilariously for me, they were wrong.

This time round? No comment- likely thing is, until the class system is removed, the vote will have no affect either way.

Either side proposing closing down the UK's unique number of tax havens and dirty money from Russia/Middle East? Nope, thought not.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 10:21 AM   #2004
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Regarding the regeneration funding - in fairness to the Major government, there were one or two people who saw Manchester's potential and pushed for greater support. Michael Heseltine in particular draws a line from the regeneration of Hulme in the early 90s, to the rebuilding effort after the bomb and then to the devolution negotiations of Leese and co.

That's not to distract from the fact that the actual level of investment that the government put in was pathetic. EU money has been essential over the last 20 years and the Regional Development Fund in particular has been vital in getting many projects off the ground.

The money is only "our money" in the same sense as taxes are "our money" - in other words, it's not. Unless you want to waltz in to a hospital and complain why your hard earned pounds are being used to fund someone elses operation while you're perfectly healthy.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 12:31 PM   #2005
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"The aftermath. Entire swathes of the city were rebuilt off EU money."

There is no EU money, it's are money. And we get less of it back then they take.
Are money? Money spent on education is wasted it would seem.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 12:38 PM   #2006
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Are money? Money spent on education is wasted it would seem.
Not really. Typing ererror and not checking your work are for publications.

The message was understood, is that not want language is for?
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Old June 16th, 2016, 12:58 PM   #2007
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The money is only "our money" in the same sense as taxes are "our money" - in other words, it's not. Unless you want to waltz in to a hospital and complain why your hard earned pounds are being used to fund someone elses operation while you're perfectly healthy.
Quite - and such is the nature of socialism. Richer areas and people pay in so that poorer areas and people stand a chance - and what's wrong with that?

Compared to the UK system which takes money from everyone and everywhere in order to invest it into areas which are already wealthy and which already have well-developed infrastructure systems.

I want IN the EU, and OUT of Westminster.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 03:20 PM   #2008
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Metrolink: Second City Crossing | St Peter's Square to Victoria
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  • Address: John Dalton St, Cross St and Exchange Square, City Zone Manchester M2

  • Contractor: MPact-Thales

  • Number of expanded stations: 3

  • Number of new stations: 1

  • Interchanges with National Rail: 1, at Victoria

  • Interchanges with existing Network: 2, at Victoria and St Peter's Square

  • Operator: Metrolink, Transport for Greater Manchester

Current status: Under Construction

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Amazing pictures by Freel07 showing St Peter's Square tram station coming together. Platform and new shelters are being craned in:








The platforms come in prefabricated slabs which are craned into place:









These pictures by Mikemcniven show the new shelters at St Peter's Square tramstop:



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Old June 16th, 2016, 04:54 PM   #2009
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Not really. Typing ererror and not checking your work are for publications.

The message was understood, is that not want language is for?
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How is that a typing error.

is that not want language is for?

No, precisely the opposite, and if people want to make a point they should get the vital word right.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 05:43 PM   #2010
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I like London, it's obvious. However, I think that Manchester is the only city that may respond to the British capital. Is there someone that can make a list of the +100m towers completed/under construction/planned? Thank you
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Old June 16th, 2016, 05:51 PM   #2011
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I like London, it's obvious. However, I think that Manchester is the only city that may respond to the British capital. Is there someone that can make a list of the +100m towers completed/under construction/planned? Thank you
Hi Thomas, thanks for this

I'm in a bit of a rush (there's a pizza place and a pretty girl in Ancoats waiting for me ) so I'll just leave this here:

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Old June 16th, 2016, 07:16 PM   #2012
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I like London, it's obvious. However, I think that Manchester is the only city that may respond to the British capital. Is there someone that can make a list of the +100m towers completed/under construction/planned? Thank you
Couldn't agree more, after growing up in the area 40 years ago I find the buzz around Manchester/Salford absolutely great. Just need to re-do the abomination that is Piccadilly.
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Quite - and such is the nature of socialism. Richer areas and people pay in so that poorer areas and people stand a chance - and what's wrong with that?

Compared to the UK system which takes money from everyone and everywhere in order to invest it into areas which are already wealthy and which already have well-developed infrastructure systems.

I want IN the EU, and OUT of Westminster.
Socialism has only made the poor more poor in history. The Swiss have the best GDP per cap in Europe, are outside the EU and are the most free market capitalist in Europe.
Your second point is a criticism on the UK system, you know we aren't voting to enter the EU, we are voting to stay/leave. So the EU hasn't fixed the issues you have. We would have more money if we leave. But you can continue to call it EU money and be dishonest even though it's only part of the money we are getting back which they take.
Your last point about poor areas and rich areas, tell that to Greece. Tell that to the poor areas along the coast where fishermen have had their industry destroyed.
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Old June 17th, 2016, 12:12 PM   #2014
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Live webcam of demolition for the new MECD Building. http://www.mecd.manchester.ac.uk/

Also. Great shot of Circle Square, cranes, and the Manchester skyline.

Click on the link, then click on full screen for best view. Right webcam.

It's currently cloudy in Manchester. No rain though.

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Socialism has only made the poor more poor in history. The Swiss have the best GDP per cap in Europe, are outside the EU and are the most free market capitalist in Europe.
Your second point is a criticism on the UK system, you know we aren't voting to enter the EU, we are voting to stay/leave. So the EU hasn't fixed the issues you have. We would have more money if we leave. But you can continue to call it EU money and be dishonest even though it's only part of the money we are getting back which they take.
Your last point about poor areas and rich areas, tell that to Greece. Tell that to the poor areas along the coast where fishermen have had their industry destroyed.
The Swiss are a tax avoidance state. Set up and run to give Europeans an escape from wars & taxation. Essentially a corrupt state.

However, I agree with your points.
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Old June 17th, 2016, 11:33 PM   #2016
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M-One Central | Northern Quarter
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  • Address: 47 Houldsworth Street, Northern Quarter, City Zone Manchester M2

  • Architect: IDP

  • Floors: 13

  • No. of apartments: 119

  • Developer: Factory Estates


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M-One Central has now started construction:

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Old June 17th, 2016, 11:35 PM   #2017
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Middlewood Locks underway.

No piling rig onsite yet.

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Exchange Court.



Piling rig onsite.

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Demolition and opening up of the Medieval quarter/Chets continues.

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Stanley Street, New Bailey.

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